Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Follies

Quote: Evenbob

I've told this before. My bro
in law lives in CA and his wife
has some rare disease that the
'free' care doesn't cover because
the meds are too expensive.
They are duel citizens and have
insurance here, so she comes
here to get treated.
He had both hips replaced, it
only took 5 years total waiting
time. Here they both would have
been done in six months. But hey,
it was 'free'.

Very much anomalies, and prescriptions are not covered in Canada, so paying too much for meds is an insurance problem anyway.


But, the vast majority of Canadian support their system (something over 90%), and a tiny minority of Americans support the American system (one of the few things many Americans agree on).

The American system is the best is you can afford the best policies and can afford out of pocket expenses. It is not the best for the vast majority of people. Canada has a much better system overall, in Canada it is a scandal when hospitals charge for parking.....

Yes wait times are generally longer in Canda, but its bases on assigned need (how urgent), not the ability to pay. Far more equitable system.

Quote: Gandler

Yes wait times are generally longer in Canda, but its bases on assigned need (how urgent), not the ability to pay. Far more equitable system.

How on earth is that more equitable? Sounds like a system that will be gamed with fraud and payoffs in no time. Who decides "need?" What happens when they put racial quotas on "need?"

Quote: Evenbob

I've told this before. My bro
in law lives in CA and his wife
has some rare disease that the
'free' care doesn't cover because
the meds are too expensive.
They are duel citizens and have
insurance here, so she comes
here to get treated.
He had both hips replaced, it
only took 5 years total waiting
time. Here they both would have
been done in six months. But hey,
it was 'free'.

Sounds like getting comped a free buffet at Circus! Circus!

Quote: Gandler

But, the vast majority of Canadian support their system (something over 90%), and a tiny minority of Americans support the American system (one of the few things many Americans agree on).
.

Where do you get your 'facts' from.
Gallup shows that the quality/coverage
of healthcare here was 55% good to
excellent the last time they asked.

Excellent Good Fair Poor

2018 Nov 1-11 17 38 31 14
2017 Nov 2-8 16 38 31 14 *
2016 Nov 9-13 16 39 31 13
2015 Nov 4-8 15 38 33 13 1
2014 Nov 6-9 18 36 31 14 1
2013 Nov 7-10 18 36 30 15
2012 Nov 15-18 21 41


As far as CA goes, it's a mess:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/06/11/canadians-are-one-in-a-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/#5d32ae543e7d

Quote: Evenbob

Where do you get your 'facts' from.
Gallup shows that the quality/coverage
of healthcare here was 55% good to
excellent the last time they asked.

Excellent Good Fair Poor

2018 Nov 1-11 17 38 31 14
2017 Nov 2-8 16 38 31 14 *
2016 Nov 9-13 16 39 31 13
2015 Nov 4-8 15 38 33 13 1
2014 Nov 6-9 18 36 31 14 1
2013 Nov 7-10 18 36 30 15
2012 Nov 15-18 21 41


As far as CA goes, it's a mess:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/06/11/canadians-are-one-in-a-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/#5d32ae543e7d

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-Canadian-HC-system-2009-08.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj3u5rkprnmAhUCd98KHXf1Ci4QFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1s5HUIcLHTBEjnf_3pQhFx

Quote: Gandler

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-Canadian-HC-system-2009-08.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj3u5rkprnmAhUCd98KHXf1Ci4QFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1s5HUIcLHTBEjnf_3pQhFx

A 10 year old poll? Really? Did you
even read the article I posted about
what a crappy healthcare delivery
system Canada has? 'Free' means
shitty service. It's even worse in
Britain. The more people covered,
the worse it gets.

This is where you say TRUMP IS WRONG. Come on...you can do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Quote: Gandler

I would happily take massively new taxes if it meant no more paying for healthcare or private insurance plans....

lol

Jesus christ, dude doesn't even realize that you ARE freakin paying for it in the form of taxes! 🙄

Quote: Tripdufan

This is where you say TRUMP IS WRONG. Come on...you can do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Don't worry, people will still blindly agree with Trump. He can do no wrong (even when he is right for once, but most conservatives would disagree with any other con who said such things).

Universal Healthcare and UBI are the future, but people want to oppose them.

Honestly Trump had the potential to do some extreme good with the Space Force and if he starts to embrace universal healthcare. If Trump continues to get it right with the military and agrees to meet with more tech people, who could potentially be a solid.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/12/16/21024222/mitt-romney-michael-bennet-basic-income-kids-child-allowance


Romney, who most conservatives love, and herald as a thought leader, even sees the merit in a form of UBI for parents (child allowance).