The Trump implosion thread!

Does the internet have a true public square? Which would be a free place like a real public square. Put your soapbox down and say anything outside of promoting illegal violence is generally allowed in the USA. (promoting legal violence like hockey is okay) Maybe some of our libraries. They've debated whether a patron has a right to watch porn at the library. Not sure how that worked out.

Not sure that it does.

Quote: AZDuffman

But there are parallels. Commonalities. The biggest may be that the government has for years told broadcasters, "you use the public airwaves so you have to do 'x'." Now instead it is the "public internet."
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From the 30's till the late
60's Hwood was totally
run by the Hays Code.
A list of guidelines written
by the Catholic Church.
It outlawed profanity,
anything sexual, and a
host of other things. A
husband and wife had
to have separate beds.
The word pregnancy
could never be used. It
was even applied in TV. When
Lucy was pregnant in
1951, they had to say
'expecting' and her and
Desi Arnez had far apart
single beds.

Why so strict? The Church
felt using the word 'pregnant'
might make some viewers
think about the act Lucy
and Desi performed to get
that way. Same for the beds.
And we all know how much
god hates sex.

It all changed in 1968 where
Thomas Crown got away with
a crime in a movie. That was
the Hays Code, if a crime was
committed in a movie or TV
show the person had to be
punished. Just like in real
life where all crimes are
solved and punished. lol

Quote: terapined

I've never been punished by FB for posting facts
because
I'm just posting facts about myself
FB is not the proper forum for discussing politics
Its too decisive. I have a variety of friends from libs to conservative, Christians and atheists, black, white, Chinese, mixed
I don't post anything that's going to offend a friend
I value friendship. FB to me is to keep abreast of friends and to let friends know about me. That's it.
Its a fun happy place if you treat all your friends on FB as you would treat them in your own home

I am not talking about my personal page. I am talking about a page I ran (where very of my few friends were aware of). The page was openly described as a political page, specifically a secular NeoCon page. People who joined knew what they were getting into. I am not talking about spamming my friends with political memes or posts. This was a page that one would have to actively seek out and follow (I don't think I once shared anything from it to my personal page). You only could see content from the page if you actively searched it and followed. There are many pages like this with all kinds of ideologies, this is not an abnormal or unique thing on Facebook.

I tried to keep my personal page free of politics for the last few years (2015-2016 was just too politically toxic and I got tired of political arguments on my personal page).

Trust me, post a link to certain pew polls. Here is a good one:
https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-women-in-society/

And, watch how quickly that changes. Pew is one of the most respected polling organizations, but watch how quickly you will get flagged for hate speech for just posting the link and or posting a graph from it.... If you don't believe me, try it out (I don't recommend it, because it could put your life in danger).

If you are feeling really brazen post a picture of the prophet (which is actually not banned in the Koran).
I don't mean a crazy racy picture, just a normal depictions such as:





Neither of these links are offensive to any logical observer. Both are a simple poll result or a historic depiction….
Both will get you put in FB jail. Again, if you don't believe me, try it (I do not recommend)..... Again, not talking about personal FB pages, but on political groups or political pages.....

Quote: Gandler

One complaint that I personally have is FB allows no criticism of Islam. And, I don't mean just blanket "all Muslims are evil" posts, I mean simple facts. Post a Pew Poll of Muslim views on gays "hate speech".
Post a passage accurately from the Koran "Fake News" or whatever they called it back then.
Post a picture of their prophet "hate speech".....
Sponsor a draw Mohamed day "Extreme Event".....
Threats against my life "not hate speech because of provocation". It is madness. This is one reason I am going to leave FB, it is totally on board with Islamic apologists. And, this is not recent, I have no been involved in years, but it is something that I still do not respect them for. When it comes to religion, there is one religion that is untouchable.

And, if you post a logical secular defense of Israel forget it, you will be flooded with anti-Semitic memes (which are somehow not hate speech)….

This it true of FB and many other places. Islam is amazingly protected. Sheep do not see what is happening. They say things like, "illogical to hate a whole group of people!" Meanwhile attacks on Israel are, as you point out, allowed if not encouraged. The grip they have on FB and other places, I just do not understand it.

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Anyway, even that political aside, I have no interest in being involved in FB, most "friends" are not people I have known in many years, and there is very little of value to it anymore (its mostly ads and random videos)…. Social media is not a vital part of my life, so its an easy thing to cut out.... If I ever do go back to writing about religion or politics it will be on a blog or a private site where there is nobody to answer to except for me... I have no interest in providing social media platforms my traffic. I much prefer discussions on this site where heated debate is encouraged (within reason) and there is no suspending for unpopular opinions. This site also has (probably by total accident) a pretty good balance or left, moderate, and right.

FB is now about 90% political. Gone are the days of "X is going out for sushi!" I do find 2 good things it is useful for. One is keeping in touch with people you were friendly with but do not call or text. Same with "friends in law" or friends of family or friends that you are friendly with but don't need closer contact. Maybe someone is sick or dies, you can let everyone know. Maybe you do some irregular work with people. And sometimes it is just good to meet random people that share an interest.

2nd is getting local suggestions. I found a lawyer and mechanic that way. I "listen" to the Belize expat group. People are helpful in this way.

The politics may in time kill FB. Like so much else it really got political after Trump was the presumptive GOP nominee. I talk to a couple people on it. I found out a HS buddy's brother died, as well as 2 former co-workers. Not that any of those had a ton of meaning, but it is like "wow." I use it to find local vendors. That is mostly it.

Quote: Gandler

I am not talking about my personal page. I am talking about a page I ran (where very of my few friends were aware of). The page was openly described as a political page, specifically a secular NeoCon page. People who joined knew what they were getting into. I am not talking about spamming my friends with political memes or posts. This was a page that one would have to actively seek out and follow (I don't think I once shared anything from it to my personal page). You only could see content from the page if you actively searched it and followed. There are many pages like this with all kinds of ideologies, this is not an abnormal or unique thing on Facebook.

I tried to keep my personal page free of politics for the last few years (2015-2016 was just too politically toxic and I got tired of political arguments on my personal page).

Trust me, post a link to certain pew polls. Here is a good one:
https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-women-in-society/

And, watch how quickly that changes. Pew is one of the most respected polling organizations, but watch how quickly you will get flagged for hate speech for just posting the link and or posting a graph from it.... If you don't believe me, try it out (I don't recommend it, because it could put your life in danger).

If you are feeling really brazen post a picture of the prophet (which is actually not banned in the Koran).
I don't mean a crazy racy picture, just a normal depictions such as:





Neither of these links are offensive to any logical observer. Both are a simple poll result or a historic depiction….
Both will get you put in FB jail. Again, if you don't believe me, try it (I do not recommend)..... Again, not talking about personal FB pages, but on political groups or political pages.....

Why not create your own website regarding the Muslims
Its not that difficult or expensive
The page on Muslims was built in somebody else's house.
You took a chance in somebody else's house
Oh well, their house , their whims
Do you think the Wizard ever considered building WOV in somebody else's house. Nope.
If I consider trying to inform the public on a decisive issue and building a page, it ain't gonna be in somebody elses house
By building in FB, you are essentially giving up total control and giving it to FB. You have zero rights

Quote: terapined

Quote: Gandler

I am not talking about my personal page. I am talking about a page I ran (where very of my few friends were aware of). The page was openly described as a political page, specifically a secular NeoCon page. People who joined knew what they were getting into. I am not talking about spamming my friends with political memes or posts. This was a page that one would have to actively seek out and follow (I don't think I once shared anything from it to my personal page). You only could see content from the page if you actively searched it and followed. There are many pages like this with all kinds of ideologies, this is not an abnormal or unique thing on Facebook.

I tried to keep my personal page free of politics for the last few years (2015-2016 was just too politically toxic and I got tired of political arguments on my personal page).

Trust me, post a link to certain pew polls. Here is a good one:
https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-women-in-society/

And, watch how quickly that changes. Pew is one of the most respected polling organizations, but watch how quickly you will get flagged for hate speech for just posting the link and or posting a graph from it.... If you don't believe me, try it out (I don't recommend it, because it could put your life in danger).

If you are feeling really brazen post a picture of the prophet (which is actually not banned in the Koran).
I don't mean a crazy racy picture, just a normal depictions such as:





Neither of these links are offensive to any logical observer. Both are a simple poll result or a historic depiction….
Both will get you put in FB jail. Again, if you don't believe me, try it (I do not recommend)..... Again, not talking about personal FB pages, but on political groups or political pages.....

Why not create your own website regarding the Muslims
Its not that difficult or expensive
The page on Muslims was built in somebody else's house.
You took a chance in somebody else's house
Oh well, their house , their whims
Do you think the Wizard ever considered building WOV in somebody else's house. Nope.
If I consider trying to inform the public on a decisive issue and building a page, it ain't gonna be in somebody elses house
By building in FB, you are essentially giving up total control and giving it to FB. You have zero rights

I agree, which is why I am working on breaking off from all social media.

I won't support platforms that allow anti-American pages and anti-Israel pages, but will not allow pages that push back against those positions.
Though honestly its not my primary reason for leaving, like I said, social media is a distraction that adds little to value for me. The only reason I am still clinging on temporarily is to keep in touch with some people during COVID-19.

And, I agree about sites, if I ever get back into writing on such issues it will be on a personal site. But, that probably will not be for some time. For now these kind of forums satisfy my desires for political debate.

In any case soon they will not get my business or traffic anymore. I know I won't be missed by them, by they won't be missed by me either.

I never said that they do not have the right to block my posts (in fact my first post I conceded that they did), I just enjoy pointing out their bias, and I have many personal anecdotes that show their precise bias.

Trump to Mike Tirico in an interview
"We really want to see it get back to normal. So when you have all of those thousands, tens of thousands of people going to majors and going to golf tournaments, we want them to have that same experience. We don’t want them having to wear masks and be doing what we’ve been doing for the last number of months. That’s not getting back to normal.
We want to be back to normal where you have the big crowds and they’re practically standing on top of each other and they’re enjoying themselves. Not where they’re worried. But in the meantime, they do the social distancing.”
“We want to get sports back. We miss sports. We need sports in terms of the psyche of our country. We want big big stadiums loaded with people. We don’t want to have 15,000 people watching Alabama-LSU, as an example.”


Is Trump insane. The world has changed. I'm shocked he does not get this. Its like he's in denial.
I a huge huge live music fan
I doubt I will see another live concert in my lifetime. Its not worth the risk

Quote: terapined

Trump to Mike Tirico in an interview
"We really want to see it get back to normal. So when you have all of those thousands, tens of thousands of people going to majors and going to golf tournaments, we want them to have that same experience. We don’t want them having to wear masks and be doing what we’ve been doing for the last number of months. That’s not getting back to normal.
We want to be back to normal where you have the big crowds and they’re practically standing on top of each other and they’re enjoying themselves. Not where they’re worried. But in the meantime, they do the social distancing.”
“We want to get sports back. We miss sports. We need sports in terms of the psyche of our country. We want big big stadiums loaded with people. We don’t want to have 15,000 people watching Alabama-LSU, as an example.”


Is Trump insane. The world has changed. I'm shocked he does not get this. Its like he's in denial.
I a huge huge live music fan
I doubt I will see another live concert in my lifetime. Its not worth the risk

That's not insane at all. It is insane to think that anyone wants to live with the fear that now permeates the society because of this virus. He didn't say that he just wants to go out and have all those things happen at once or that we should ignore the guidelines for reopening. Did he say it was going to happen today or tomorrow?

We don't know how it will end. We don't know if they will find a vaccine. We don't know if the virus will get weaker or stronger over time. We don't know if they will find a set of treatment protocols that will help mitigate the impact of the disease.

Trump says a lot of dumb things, but people who oppose every word he says are equally dumb to think that the people of the country, and the world, aren't hopeful of getting back to normal...and not some new normal that requires no human contact and lifelong wearing of masks. The flu strikes every year, yet we still do all of the things he mentions each year. The risks of the flu have been mitigated to the point we live in respect, not fear, of it.

I don't want to cower in my home, wear a mask forever, avoid human contact, and not see any live events for the rest of my life.

Don't misstate my support of the statement--I am still staying safe and limiting movement as we slowly reopen. I just don't want to stay this way forever. Life is meant to be lived, and not as a hermit.

Ed... I feel very sad for you. You have worked hard your entire life to get to this point of freedom from the job. You love your concerts. Once allowed, don't let your fear of the virus overwhelm your lust for life. I'm not saying go to the mosh pit next week, but I am saying once the risk is diminished, either by post infection treatment options, or pre infection vaccines, then go be smooshed in the middle of a mass of other Deadheads.

I am NOT a big music fan, but my wife is at least a casual fan. We have tickets to Maroon 5, and also Motley Crue. If either concert is allowed to take place we will be there.

Bills in Vegas in October. I plan on going. I may not go.... but that's because the CHEAPEST ticket now is $1,000!

Quote: RonC

That's not insane at all. It is insane to think that anyone wants to live with the fear that now permeates the society because of this virus. He didn't say that he just wants to go out and have all those things happen at once or that we should ignore the guidelines for reopening. Did he say it was going to happen today or tomorrow?

It is pretty sad and pathetic all of these people saying the will never do things they enjoy forever because of the china virus. Living in fear. I do not like concerts much and am done with sports, but to say I would never go to so many places because of this I cannot imagine living that way.