The Trump implosion thread!

Quote: ams288

If you want to argue with me, argue with what I’ve said. Not some fictional version of me living in your head.

No version of you lives in my head, I can assure you of that. I have as little regard for your opinion on anything as you have for mine.

Sometimes I try to have a conversation with you, but I realize it is futile. You may feel the same way about a conversation with me.

Cheers!

Quote: RonC

Of course not. You are all over stuff that Trump is accused of, like that old pee tape thing, but you can't even say it was wrong for someone to illegally leak information to the Post under the sorry excuse of "I don't really care."

Quote: RonC

Got it. You are against illegal activity except when it does not fit your narrative.

Quote: RonC

No point in further discussion of this point; you'll just take us all around in circles of word salad to try and justify your position.

Quote: RonC

No version of you lives in my head, I can assure you of that. I have as little regard for your opinion on anything as you have for mine.

Sometimes I try to have a conversation with you, but I realize it is futile.

Holy crap! RonC just did this to the libbie!! 🤣🤣🤣

Trump tweet
"The Radical Left is in total command & control of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Google. The Administration is working to remedy this illegal situation. Stay tuned, and send names & events. Thank you Michelle!
twitter.com/af_clips/statu"

WTF. I don't get this. Remedy what illegal situation
Don't like facebook, then don't go there
Don't like Instagram, don't go there. I don't even go there. No interest
Don't like twitter, don't go there. I only go there occasionally and its just to check out Trump tweets
Don't like google, lots of other search engines to pick from
Its pretty shocking that Trump is against the freedom of companies to make their own decisions.
These are non essential businesses that are overall meaningless. Say they all shutdown. My life still goes on with no changes

Quote: terapined

Trump tweet
"The Radical Left is in total command & control of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Google. The Administration is working to remedy this illegal situation. Stay tuned, and send names & events. Thank you Michelle!
twitter.com/af_clips/statu"

WTF. I don't get this. Remedy what illegal situation
Don't like facebook, then don't go there
Don't like Instagram, don't go there. I don't even go there. No interest
Don't like twitter, don't go there. I only go there occasionally and its just to check out Trump tweets
Don't like google, lots of other search engines to pick from
Its pretty shocking that Trump is against the freedom of companies to make their own decisions.
These are non essential businesses that are overall meaningless. Say they all shutdown. My life still goes on with no changes

I agree I am social media clear, except Facebook. The only reason I have not purged by Facebook account yet is because of the current COVID-19 situation which started right when I was planning to start.
But, I plan on deleting that after this is all over.

I don't have political issues with the companies (I might, I don't know or care about most of them). I just care about privacy, and social media is terrible for all of that.

So if you don't like social media don't use it. I don't (again not for political reasons). Its easy (and enjoyable) to avoid all of these sites.

I am not sure what Trump is proposing in this tweet? Does he want to mandate a level of Republicans and Democrats that must work for each company? Should more Democrats be forced to be hired by Fox?

Facebook has banned and deleted any posts about organizing protests pushing for the relaxing of Covid closures. That is certainly a leftie bias. Social media is the main communication media for organizing protests for or against anything now. Do you really want the social media being the censors of what demonstrations are proper and those that are not? Regardless of which way you might stand on the Covid openings I would think everyone could see what a dangerous precedent this is setting. Many on this forum have railed against the totalitarian regimes around the world that shut down social media when facing pro democracy protests. How is this different?

Quote: kenarman

Facebook has banned and deleted any posts about organizing protests pushing for the relaxing of Covid closures. That is certainly a leftie bias. Social media is the main communication media for organizing protests for or against anything now. Do you really want the social media being the censors of what demonstrations are proper and those that are not? Regardless of which way you might stand on the Covid openings I would think everyone could see what a dangerous precedent this is setting. Many on this forum have railed against the totalitarian regimes around the world that shut down social media when facing pro democracy protests. How is this different?

I am unsure of how true that is.

But, even if it were 100% true, FB has a private company and has the ability to allow who can and can't publish content.
Nothing is stopping a conservative from opening a conservative leaning social media site.

Quote: Gandler

I am not sure what Trump is proposing in this tweet? Does he want to mandate a level of Republicans and Democrats that must work for each company? Should more Democrats be forced to be hired by Fox?

The general issue is the social majors are getting to be de facto monopolies. Like the big three TV networks pre-1980s. They could and did limit opinions that got out. Back then you were not allowed to own a newspaper in a market where you owned a TV or radio station (a few grandfathered situations aside.) The idea was to prevent information monopolies or oligopolies.

Today social media is dominated by just a few players who practice blatant partisanship on censoring opinions. It has been put forth that they be relegated to being regulated as utilities, or perhaps airlines once were. Almost as if to say Facebook is so dominant that it is a public space.

None of the examples fit perfectly of course. But there are parallels. Commonalities. The biggest may be that the government has for years told broadcasters, "you use the public airwaves so you have to do 'x'." Now instead it is the "public internet."

Sooner or later something will happen. Probably around the time liberals get affected negatively.

Quote: kenarman

Facebook has banned and deleted any posts about organizing protests pushing for the relaxing of Covid closures. That is certainly a leftie bias. Social media is the main communication media for organizing protests for or against anything now. Do you really want the social media being the censors of what demonstrations are proper and those that are not? Regardless of which way you might stand on the Covid openings I would think everyone could see what a dangerous precedent this is setting. Many on this forum have railed against the totalitarian regimes around the world that shut down social media when facing pro democracy protests. How is this different?

So what
Their house, their rules
Take this forum. The Wiz's house, his rules. The Wiz has the right to set any rules he wants and to suspend any members he wants. If he chooses to suspend a member simply on a whim, that's his right. If this forum becomes the number one forum on the planet, the Wiz still retains his rights. His rights are not determined by how popular this forum is. Any right the Wiz has extends to facebook.
If these companies lean left, oh well, too bad, they are fluff. Not essential businesses
I really doubt extremists on the left or right use FB to organize protests, that's for their extreme websites to do that work.
Sure I am against totalitarian regimes shutting down the internet. But. What does that have anything to do with the Wizard or FB setting their own rules for their own personal privately owned houses.
I get all my protest info these days via text. Example, Planned Parenthood supporters have my number. I get texts from them regarding protests. I get texts from various orgs on the left informing me of actions and protests. Organizers prefer direct contact regarding protesting in my recent experience.
Participation Row at festivals where they give orgs on the left a booth. They all wanted my phone number to text me info on actions and protests. None said to go to facebook.
I don't even consider FB when I want to protest

Quote: AZDuffman

The general issue is the social majors are getting to be de facto monopolies. Like the big three TV networks pre-1980s. They could and did limit opinions that got out. Back then you were not allowed to own a newspaper in a market where you owned a TV or radio station (a few grandfathered situations aside.) The idea was to prevent information monopolies or oligopolies.

Today social media is dominated by just a few players who practice blatant partisanship on censoring opinions. It has been put forth that they be relegated to being regulated as utilities, or perhaps airlines once were. Almost as if to say Facebook is so dominant that it is a public space.

None of the examples fit perfectly of course. But there are parallels. Commonalities. The biggest may be that the government has for years told broadcasters, "you use the public airwaves so you have to do 'x'." Now instead it is the "public internet."

Sooner or later something will happen. Probably around the time liberals get affected negatively.

Well if that happens it may be interesting. But, I will probably still abstain.

I do know I have been "punished" by Facebook quite a few times for posting facts. On an anti-religious Pro-American (Secular Neocon Page I described it as)page I ran years ago (I have since deleted because of the headache it caused by my regular FB account being suspended regularly). I posted a lot of stuff that upset a lot of people. That was the point, its not a popular position.
I posted anti-Christian posts, and I would get my share of people saying I am misguided or hateful and they were unfollowing me. Fine. But, when I got around to posting anti-Islam posts (many totally "inoffensive" to a logical observer, for example just a picture of the Prophet Mohamed -appearing totally normal not in any crazy way- it would go crazy), the page would be flooded with death threats and people threatening me and claiming they know where I live (which is public record, so really no that impressive of a feat)….

One complaint that I personally have is FB allows no criticism of Islam. And, I don't mean just blanket "all Muslims are evil" posts, I mean simple facts. Post a Pew Poll of Muslim views on gays "hate speech".
Post a passage accurately from the Koran "Fake News" or whatever they called it back then.
Post a picture of their prophet "hate speech".....
Sponsor a draw Mohamed day "Extreme Event".....
Threats against my life "not hate speech because of provocation". It is madness. This is one reason I am going to leave FB, it is totally on board with Islamic apologists. And, this is not recent, I have no been involved in years, but it is something that I still do not respect them for. When it comes to religion, there is one religion that is untouchable.

And, if you post a logical secular defense of Israel forget it, you will be flooded with anti-Semitic memes (which are somehow not hate speech)….

Anyway, even that political aside, I have no interest in being involved in FB, most "friends" are not people I have known in many years, and there is very little of value to it anymore (its mostly ads and random videos)…. Social media is not a vital part of my life, so its an easy thing to cut out.... If I ever do go back to writing about religion or politics it will be on a blog or a private site where there is nobody to answer to except for me... I have no interest in providing social media platforms my traffic. I much prefer discussions on this site where heated debate is encouraged (within reason) and there is no suspending for unpopular opinions. This site also has (probably by total accident) a pretty good balance or left, moderate, and right.

This site and WOV are probably my favorite forums (WOV less so after the new owners, but it is what it is), good rules, good enforcement, non-ideological, and a diverse background of people (who mostly were drawn in because of a common interest in gambling or casinos)…..

Quote: Gandler

I do know I have been "punished" by Facebook quite a few times for posting facts.

I've never been punished by FB for posting facts
because
I'm just posting facts about myself
FB is not the proper forum for discussing politics
Its too decisive. I have a variety of friends from libs to conservative, Christians and atheists, black, white, Chinese, mixed
I don't post anything that's going to offend a friend
I value friendship. FB to me is to keep abreast of friends and to let friends know about me. That's it.
Its a fun happy place if you treat all your friends on FB as you would treat them in your own home