The Trump Impeachment Thread

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WOW, what is this world coming to when a CNN pundit admits that it only took the republicans 2 HOURS to destroy the dems.

Quote: ams288

I know you have very odd foreign policy views and love to drink the ZeroHedge Kool-Aid, but if you truly believe that Dems would have no problems with Donny executing the President of Ukraine, I can’t help you. No one can...

Quote: SOOPOO

I expect more from you..... Get a dozen Congressmen and at least a few Senators and I'd give you the bipartisan label.

All you have is a quip when you have nothing substantive.

Quote: RonC

How many times have we tried to have reasonable conversations with unreasonable people. You have given logical arguments about how you feel about the case; you get back nothing of substance. The people that are like that are the ones most likely to call someone a "Trumper" in spite of that person having noted many flaws that he has.

They say very little critical of ANYTHING on their side. Pretty much why I stay away from here for long periods of time...it can be fun, but there is no real debate in the end.

Quote: SOOPOO

Not that it matters.... but I'll bet if he found out the son of (name politician here) was involved in Ukrainian corruption he might want that guy investigated too. How can you not see that this is NOT enough to impeach a President? I guess I mean convince ONE Republican Senator or ONE Republican Congressman to vote guilty. O N E!!!!!

Remember Pelosi.... Impeachment MUST be bipartisan

Quote: Dalex64

There are a few hypotheticals there.

I think he abused the power of his office to attempt to extort a foreign government to investigate a political rival for personal gain. I think that is impeachable, and if all of those things can be proved, he should be removed from office for it.

Quote: SOOPOO

I stay because it is safer to have political discussions with 'strangers on the internet' than those close to you. Actually, today, my wife (BIG Biden fan!) is about to go to brunch with her best friend, who would take the term 'Trumper' as the highest compliment. Then later we will be seeing my younger son, who is so anti-Trump he can easily be diagnosed with TDS. So if I jab with ams and terapined on that side, and Shrek and EB on the other side, if I get frustrated I can just turn it off. But I do learn a lot from them, even if it is not factual, but just how others can misinterpret certain things. Sometimes, it shows me a different way I need to look at an issue.

Of course there is no defense for Pelosi's statement about impeachment needing to be bipartisan, other than to say she does not actually believe it and said it for political reasons. If she were Trump, they would just call it a lie. So ams, since there is no rational way to argue other than to call Pelosi a liar, or call Pelosi out of touch with reality for thinking the Republicans would join her, which he doesn't want to do, .... he just makes an inane comment about Amash. I think he uses the phrase 'deflection' a lot. And this was a classic example of it.

Quote: SOOPOO

I think that as long as their is a US interest, and exposing a VP using his influence to get millions for his family to me is a BIG DEAL, then the fact that it can help the Pres personally is ok. .

Quote: rxwine

So you’re for Trump helping himself personally, but not for Biden. And you think it is no big deal.

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Fox News Host Judge Jeanine Pirro Confronts Giuliani to Reveal 'Evidence' of Biden's Alleged 'Corruption'

Although Pirro has been one of Trump's staunchest defenders, regularly attacking Democrats and dismissing their criticism of the president, the controversial opinion show host appeared on Saturday evening to question whether Giuliani actually had the evidence he has claimed to have. In response, Giuliani insisted he'd already revealed what he knew of Biden's alleged "corruption."

"Joe Biden has been a big crook for most of his career," Giuliani claimed during an interview on Justice with Judge Jeanine. "Every time Biden was a point man, you know what happened? The Biden family made millions and America got sold out."

Cutting him off, Pirro said: "Ok, and we need to have the evidence. Do you have the evidence of that?" she asked.
"I've got the evidence. I've been showing them the evidence for months," Giuliani insisted.

But Pirro seemed skeptical, asking: "Can we see the evidence Rudy, can we see it?"

Giuliani again insisted that he'd already revealed the "evidence," saying he'd put it out there "in April" and also "in March." He claimed it was "ignored." The lawyer said it had even been played on Fox News, but Pirro seemed to disagree.

Again, Pirro cut off Trump's lawyer: "Alright, you know what Rudy, I'd love you to send it to me and I'm gonna lay out."

Giuliani then tried to promote coverage of the alleged Biden conspiracy by the far-right One America News Network (OANN). Pirro, with a laugh, interjected again.

"No, send it to me," she said, as Giuliani continued to promote a podcast he will do with OANN about the allegations.

Giuliani's and Trump's primary piece of "evidence," which they claim points to Biden's corruption is a video of the current Democratic presidential candidate talking about how he convinced the Ukrainian government to fire former prosecutor general Viktor Shokin. While Trump and his supporters have argued that this was to benefit the business dealings of Biden's son Hunter, who sat on the board of Burisma holdings, the facts tell a different story.

Shokin was widely seen – by the U.S. government, European leaders and anti-corruption groups in Ukraine – to be obstructing numerous corruption investigations in Ukraine. In fact, some analysts have suggested that Shokin's removal actually made it more likely that investigations into alleged corruption at Burisma would move forward, not less likely as Giuliani and Trump have claimed.

Ethics experts have noted that the optics of Biden's son serving on the board of a prominent Ukrainian company while his father was former President Barack

Obama's point man on dealing with the country looked poor. However, there is no evidence that the former vice president's actions in Ukraine veered from official U.S. government policy toward the country to benefit his family.

Giuliani has repeatedly told reporters and television hosts that he has significant evidence laying out the Biden family's corruption. Despite those claims, he has primarily just revealed claims by Shokin, who was widely viewed as corrupt himself.