The Trump Impeachment Thread
May 24th, 2017 at 12:58:46 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | Impeachment, alas, is a political process, not a judicial one. Essentially, the House of Representatives acts as the prosecutor and votes whether or not to bring charges in a bill of impeachment. Then the trial is held in the Senate, with the Chief Justice presiding and the senators acting as the jury. We all now this, the basics at least. But what are the implications? Foremost is that it's a political process. You can bring up impeachment for political reasons, rather than judicial ones. Conversely, senators can vote to acquit for political reasons as well. This means unless you can get 2/3 of the senators to convict, your case doesn't really make much of a difference. Juries do weigh evidence and testimony, but ultimately issue a decision based on law (as instructed by the judge). They have no latitude to vote guilty or not guilty based on their feelings towards the defendant, and usually have no personal or professional stakes in the matter. They can't even consider the fairness of the law involved. Golden Boy Trump has been accused in the media (not by the media, BTW) of obstruction of justice. This is a very serious charge, regardless of whether his campaign colluded with Russia or not. Given the evidence we know, I've no doubt Trump would be mincemeat for any competent prosecutor at a regular court of law. It is his luck, and our misfortune, that he cannot be tried in court by a jury. So they key right now is his supporters, whether they voted for him or not. If he can keep them, most of the cowards in the GOP won't dare touch him. If he loses enough of his support, though, he will fall hard enough to leave a crater in the Rose Garden. However things play out, and that will take time, it's likely no moves towards impeachment will take place until after the midterm elections (barring some incredibly outrageous act by the Golden Boy, which isn't unlikely at all). Even then, a conviction is far from certain. Nixon resigned because he'd become so unpopular even among his base, that few would dare defend him if impeached. I've no doubt Golden Boy can produce an endless stream of scandals. For the moment, too, I've no doubt he could kill, skin, butcher, cook and eat a puppy, and his supporters wouldn't be put off, until some "liberal," elite publications declared Trump to be cruel to animals. Well, that's how things stand now. I, for one, as a student of history, would like to be able to see the US depose a president for the first time in its history. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 24th, 2017 at 2:29:18 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | Here's what happens when a party impeaches it's own president out of office. You tell all the voters who put him there 'screw you!' You cut your own throat politically for the next couple of elections. That's why all of this impeachment talk is silly. There have been no crimes committed by Trump, none. So there is zero grounds for a criminal impeachment. Alan Dershowitz, no Trump fan for sure, says this is all lunacy and hysteria from the Left. He says over and over there is no grounds for impeachment nor will there be. It's just CNN and MS selling soap commercials to the cry baby Hillary supporters. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 24th, 2017 at 3:20:57 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11786 |
So Dershowitz can predict the future Do you have a link to a quote including "nor will there be" Serms pretty stupid to predict results of future investigations. If Trump breaks the law in the future, he should be impeached. Dershowitz cannot guarantee thst Trump will not break the law nor is he privy to investigations. Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
May 24th, 2017 at 3:52:38 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
He would have to kill somebody for the house and senate to impeach him. You and your ilk seem to have little understanding of how politics works. It's about the people in office keeping the voters in THEIR PARTY happy for the next election. Getting rid of the guy THEY put in office is a sure way to piss them off royally. You're being duped by CNN and MS. They know impeachment will never happen but their stupid lemming audience laps it up. Suckers.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 24th, 2017 at 4:21:27 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11786 |
I don't watch CNN or MSNBC. NBA playoffs and baseball gets my eyeballs. I read the Washington Post and NY Times You watch Fox ROTFL. They dont report on Trump, they support Trump Suckers Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
May 24th, 2017 at 6:53:39 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Wapo and NYT are even further Left than CNN and DT, it's where they get all their stories from. I haven't watched Fox in years, as you well know. I did see O'reilly, some of it, once in a great while. I watched it some during the election. The only Fox show I see is Greg Gutfeld on Sat night because he's hilarious. I see it on Utube commercial free. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 24th, 2017 at 7:14:51 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11786 |
They do real reporting. A lot of newscast stories begin with "The New York Times reported............" or "The Washington Post reported ........" I never hear a newscast start with "Foxnews reported .................." They are not reporting, they are playing defense. Its fake news excuses. Sean Hannity reported a baseless conspiracy theory about the murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich. Woops, Fox fake news
????????? You just watched them days ago Your credibility is really sinking. Its getting to the point of not believing any of your posts. EB'S fake posts. ROTFL
Are there 2 EB'S :-) Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
May 24th, 2017 at 7:19:15 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
You don't like FNC, the Fabulist News Channel? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 25th, 2017 at 1:07:10 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
LOL! I watched all 3 cable networks that night for coverage. That's why I said it was heartbreaking for them to have to stop the Trump Impeachment Hearing for even 5min to report on real news. Sorry, buddy boy, I no longer and haven't watched Fox except when something big happens since the election ended, you'll just have to live with that. I don't need the news, Trump won and will be there for at least 4 years, and Hillary lost. That's all I need to know. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 25th, 2017 at 9:00:20 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | It might pay for the GOP to leak some numbers on how much money Golden Boy's businesses are taking in from foreigners, especially from foreign governments, through emoluments which are clearly forbidden in the Constitution. This sounds like filler for the impeachment, which should focus on the much more serious issue of obstruction, but it might be key to crack his base. Especially if such payments can be tied to broken promises as regards trade and such. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |