The Trump Impeachment Thread

December 19th, 2019 at 7:03:35 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: fleaswatter
Duh, the ones that he sent before he died.


Who cares about those?

What kind of petty imbecile attacks a dead war hero? Oh yeah, the obese orange moron you worship...
Righties in 2020: “It’s okay if grandma dies, but NOT the buildings she shops in!!!”
December 19th, 2019 at 7:11:09 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: SOOPOO
Yes. Show me one iota of PROOF that is what happened!


Gee, most of the Trump lovers here would be wanting to throw someone in jail with as much evidence if it concerned a crime against them or their property.

-6 people would tell you they thought the accused was talking about committing the crime. (government employees testifying)

-the accused alibi has no evidence of even existing. (no evidence of Trump caring about corruption up to that point)

-the alibi has changed several times. (Trump first says no quid pro quo, then Mulvaney says quid pro quo get used to it, then Trump yes it did happen but is okay. WHICH is it?

- the accused is known for lots of lying. (do people really believe otherwise? Sorry, if so, can't help you see actual facts)

- the accused has a record of engaging in frauds. (Trump housing, Trump college, Trump charity)

Yet, if it was your own property the crime was against, you don't believe it could be the guy? C'mon.
GOP terrified Trump can't beat old sleepy senile candidate
December 19th, 2019 at 8:15:26 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Jeff sessions was a senator during the Clinton Senate trial.
He says the first thing you do is you take the articles of
impeachment, and you break them down word by word
to find out exactly where the crimes are that the president
is being tried for. With Clinton it was easy, there were
multiple obvious crimes. Pelosi does not want her
impeachment articles anywhere near the Senate because
it will take them 5 minutes to figure out there are no crimes
to try anybody on. He says the Democrats think they've
accomplished enough just impeaching the president, when
they've actually accomplished nothing.

The definition of ipeachment is literally "the action of
calling into question the integrity or validity of something."
It has nothing to do with removal, prosecution, or punishment
of any kind. It's just the opinion of the house. It's up to the Senate
to examine the crimes and mete out the punishment. There
are no crimes to examine, the whole thing is a joke.

Somebody said Pelosi has pulled the pin on a hand grenade when she
started all this and she's afraid when she lets go of it it's going
to explode in your face. That's pretty accurate.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:11:51 PM permalink
aceofspades
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‪Just a reminder -- POTUS Trump has not been officially Impeached

www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats‬
December 19th, 2019 at 9:24:35 PM permalink
rxwine
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html

More at the link.

Quote:

In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.

The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.

That said, we do feel it necessary from time to time to make our own opinions on political matters clear—always, as Graham encouraged us, doing so with both conviction and love. We love and pray for our president, as we love and pray for leaders (as well as ordinary citizens) on both sides of the political aisle.

Let’s grant this to the president: The Democrats have had it out for him from day one, and therefore nearly everything they do is under a cloud of partisan suspicion. This has led many to suspect not only motives but facts in these recent impeachment hearings. And, no, Mr. Trump did not have a serious opportunity to offer his side of the story in the House hearings on impeachment

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.
GOP terrified Trump can't beat old sleepy senile candidate
December 19th, 2019 at 9:56:34 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: aceofspades
‪Just a reminder -- POTUS Trump has not been officially Impeached

www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats‬


I was not aware till today what
a big nothing burger House
impeachment really is. It's just
the opinion of majority of the
house that a crime has been
committed by the president.
It doesn't prove anything, it's
up to the Senate to prove the
crimes and to punish for the
crimes. House impeachment
is a meaningless document
before it goes to the Senate.
It's just like a criminal indictment
is meaningless until it's a given to
the prosecutor. In the house
impeachment is not even a
criminal indictment, it's just
an opinion. They are already saying
that if the Republicans take the
house back next year they will
expunge this impeachment from
the Congressional Record.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 20th, 2019 at 12:09:04 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Remember Noah Feldman, the Harvard
law professor who testified?



https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-causing-a-blue-christmas-let-s-get-real
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 20th, 2019 at 9:26:37 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: rxwine
Gee, most of the Trump lovers here would be wanting to throw someone in jail with as much evidence if it concerned a crime against them or their property.

-6 people would tell you they thought the accused was talking about committing the crime. (government employees testifying)

-the accused alibi has no evidence of even existing. (no evidence of Trump caring about corruption up to that point)

-the alibi has changed several times. (Trump first says no quid pro quo, then Mulvaney says quid pro quo get used to it, then Trump yes it did happen but is okay. WHICH is it?

- the accused is known for lots of lying. (do people really believe otherwise? Sorry, if so, can't help you see actual facts)

- the accused has a record of engaging in frauds. (Trump housing, Trump college, Trump charity)

Yet, if it was your own property the crime was against, you don't believe it could be the guy? C'mon.


You miss the point.... It's not about what I BELIEVE, it's about what can be PROVEN!

And I can't believe you actually typed this "(no evidence of Trump caring about corruption up to that point)". Do you actually believe that is relevant? Since this corruption is egregious and involves an ex Vice President, maybe it rose to the level of him caring? Once again, you are trying to oust a duly elected President based on him now caring about corruption while before he just wasn't on the record as making it a talking point?

The accused is known for lots of lying? Are you aware Pelosi just said that the impeachment process was fair to the President and the minority (Republicans). So now Pelosi is known for lying, obviously. Use that to impeach her if she was impeachable? Should Obama have been impeached on 'you can keep your doctor'? NO!

Remind me of which fraud Trump has been convicted of? And which occurred during his Presidency?

You do realize if this was a criminal trial the prosecutor bringing this case would be laughed out of court? As it will be laughed out of the Senate.

Your post is typical. You are someone who just hates/dislikes/despises Trump, You will see him being a bad guy, and damn the evidence, and conclude he is guilty. I agree with you and can list a plethora of things that Trump has done that are questionable at best. But NONE of them rise to the level of removing him from office, other than via the next election.

Democrats, spend your time and energy showing the nation the value of your candidate; we all are aware of Trump and his strengths and weaknesses.
December 20th, 2019 at 9:46:40 AM permalink
Tripdufan
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Quote: SOOPOO
You do realize if this was a criminal trial the prosecutor bringing this case would be laughed out of court? As it will be laughed out of the Senate.


Now that you agree that what Trump has been alleged to have done IS in fact impeachable, we can move on.

I'm assuming that you are DEMANDING that Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, and Giuliana all testify, correct? Also, you do realize that Trump has not turned over ONE document that's been requested? Think about that for just a second. Trump says he didn't do this (although he's on camera admitting to it), why do YOU think Trump is withholding EVERY document and EVERY witness from providing the EXCULPATORY evidence that would clear him?

You talk about the prosecutor "being laughed out of court" as if that means jack s**t. The prosecutor, in a criminal case, would have access to all of that evidence. Trump is blocking it. And if the reasons he's blocking it aren't obvious to ya (because he's guilty, duh), then you are more supporting of this man than you let off.
December 20th, 2019 at 9:53:04 AM permalink
Tripdufan
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Quote: fleaswatter
Ahhhhhh, I got a secret for you, the aid was delivered.

Do you think withholding military aid appropriated the delivery of the articles of impeachment approved by Congress to an ally at war the senate for your own personal gain is an impeachable offense?

Yes or no


My question wasn't directed to you. I'm not interested what folks in the basket think. I already know. You also didn't answer with a simple yes or no. The aid was delivered on the day he got caught lol. In your world where Trump is a good guy, that's just a coincidence. In the real world, that's called, EVIDENCE he's guilty.

But to answer your question, NO.