The Trump Impeachment Thread

Quote: fleaswatter

Duh, the ones that he sent before he died.

Quote: SOOPOO

Yes. Show me one iota of PROOF that is what happened!

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In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.

The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.

That said, we do feel it necessary from time to time to make our own opinions on political matters clear—always, as Graham encouraged us, doing so with both conviction and love. We love and pray for our president, as we love and pray for leaders (as well as ordinary citizens) on both sides of the political aisle.

Let’s grant this to the president: The Democrats have had it out for him from day one, and therefore nearly everything they do is under a cloud of partisan suspicion. This has led many to suspect not only motives but facts in these recent impeachment hearings. And, no, Mr. Trump did not have a serious opportunity to offer his side of the story in the House hearings on impeachment

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.

Quote: aceofspades

‪Just a reminder -- POTUS Trump has not been officially Impeached

www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats‬

Quote: rxwine

Gee, most of the Trump lovers here would be wanting to throw someone in jail with as much evidence if it concerned a crime against them or their property.

-6 people would tell you they thought the accused was talking about committing the crime. (government employees testifying)

-the accused alibi has no evidence of even existing. (no evidence of Trump caring about corruption up to that point)

-the alibi has changed several times. (Trump first says no quid pro quo, then Mulvaney says quid pro quo get used to it, then Trump yes it did happen but is okay. WHICH is it?

- the accused is known for lots of lying. (do people really believe otherwise? Sorry, if so, can't help you see actual facts)

- the accused has a record of engaging in frauds. (Trump housing, Trump college, Trump charity)

Yet, if it was your own property the crime was against, you don't believe it could be the guy? C'mon.

Quote: SOOPOO

You do realize if this was a criminal trial the prosecutor bringing this case would be laughed out of court? As it will be laughed out of the Senate.

Quote: fleaswatter

Ahhhhhh, I got a secret for you, the aid was delivered.

Do you think withholding military aid appropriated the delivery of the articles of impeachment approved by Congress to an ally at war the senate for your own personal gain is an impeachable offense?

Yes or no