Simple question?

FrG says priests never give sexual advice, yet
here we go again. From an Archbishop, no less.
The just can't keep their fat noses out of people's
bedrooms, it's really incredible.

"Catholics in Philadelphia who are divorced and civilly remarried will be welcome to accept Holy Communion – as long as they abstain from sex and live out their relationships like “brother and sister”.

Brother and sister, really? Are they joking? They
think their god sits in heaven worrying about
this stupid stuff. Insanity doesn't even cover it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/06/philadelphia-catholic-church-rules-divorce-gay-sex

Quote: pew

It was a year till they rested on dry land.

Oh, I bet Japheth was the happiest when it was over. I'm betting the youngest child was assigned the "shovel the dung out the porthole job."

(that may not be the youngest of Noah's child, but I gave it 5 seconds of research)

Quote: Evenbob

FrG says priests never give sexual advice, yet
here we go again. From an Archbishop, no less.
The just can't keep their fat noses out of people's
bedrooms, it's really incredible.

"Catholics in Philadelphia who are divorced and civilly remarried will be welcome to accept Holy Communion – as long as they abstain from sex and live out their relationships like “brother and sister”.

Brother and sister, really? Are they joking? They
think their god sits in heaven worrying about
this stupid stuff. Insanity doesn't even cover it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/06/philadelphia-catholic-church-rules-divorce-gay-sex

I don't know how the whole charade can't be coming apart?

As FrG said, the church will probably be around for a very long time, but are they attracting North Americans who weren't born into the faith?

I wouldn't count the Vatican out as master money manipulator's. The third world is where the resources lie, and the wealthy in the west [and east] wish to extract if from the legitimate owners. I can see religion yet again playing a part between resources and politics and banking to confiscate the wealth from the true owners.
Same tactic they have used forever, the powerful take and the poor suffer. People want to be led, freedom is work.

Quote: rxwine

Oh, I bet Japheth was the happiest when it was over. I'm betting the youngest child was assigned the "shovel the dung out the porthole job."

"Out" ?

Sorry, they'd need something to fertilize the food they had to perforce raise. Or do you think you can really fit millions of animals (insects are animals, and they don't do well in torrential rains when the whole world is covered in water) and the food they'll all need for a year?

BTW, what did they feed the carnivores? If you don't feed felines meat, they starve.

Quote: rxwine

Oh, I bet Japheth was the happiest when it was over. I'm betting the youngest child was assigned the "shovel the dung out the porthole job."

(that may not be the youngest of Noah's child, but I gave it 5 seconds of research)

Shoveling shit is one of the oldest professions, somebody has to do it. They probably all had to pitch in. Or out that is.

Are any religious beliefs where money is asked for in any way ever moral?

I say no.

Why?

I woke up with an overpowering sense for which I know no other explanation than it is a moral truth which everyone knows in their hearts is undeniable.

Quote: rxwine

Are any religious beliefs where money is asked for in any way ever moral?

I say no.

Why?

I woke up with an overpowering sense for which I know no other explanation than it is a moral truth which everyone knows in their hearts is undeniable.

I might be inclined to say no as well. Giving money because of religious beliefs or to support the Church or house of worship should really come always as a free will offering. I know in the Catholic Church Canon Law is very strict on even the possible impression that a minister is requiring money for a sacrament or religious service.

As far as your overpowering sense, for it to be a moral truth then it cannot be just something you feel strongly it has to conform with reason. For example are there other moral truths that would contradict the one you feel? I think it is a moral truth that the worker deserves something for his/her efforts, including those who perform religious acts. You might have to ask yourself why is it that religious beliefs are exempt from remuneration and not say plumbing or lawyers?

Quote: FrGamble

for it to be a moral truth then it cannot be just something you feel strongly it has to conform with reason.

Yet two men in love with each other
cannot express it sexually because
the Church says it's immoral for
no reason other than they label
it 'unnatural'. Unnatural is another
moving target, just like morality.
Just because you put that label on
it means nothing. If something feels
natural, it is natural.

Quote: FrGamble

I think it is a moral truth that the worker deserves something for his/her efforts, including those who perform religious acts. You might have to ask yourself why is it that religious beliefs are exempt from remuneration and not say plumbing or lawyers?

Your reward is in the spiritual world. You don't think your particular afterlife promise is enough for you to work for free your entire life? Oh sure, you can work in a coal mine, or be a bubble wrap salesman to feed yourself.

Quote: Evenbob

Unnatural is another
moving target, just like morality.
Just because you put that label on
it means nothing. If something feels
natural, it is natural.

We are not talking about a label but a reality. Just look at nature and what it can teach us. It is pretty clear that men are not meant to have sexual relations with each other. I'm trapped by reason and truth to hold to the unnatural nature of homosexual acts no matter how natural I might feel it is. I don't see any way out of this teaching.