Hey FrGamble!

Just so I'm clear you don't think dying is a sacrifice but you have to stay dead. For how long? If youbtake another form or your immortal soul goes to Heaven do you have to wait a certain amount of time before anything you did on earth is a sacrifice?

What about if you step in front of a bus to save someone and you are only hurt temporarily, is that not a sacrifice?

Any answer about the soldier analogy?

Let me also get this straight, God who can do anything cannot die? Why is that? What if God was willing to die to save mankind, whom He loves? Could not God do that? I think you are thinking like a bumpkin and limiting God. Maybe you are puzzled by the depth of love God shows in willing to die? Well join the club the sacrifice of God who loves you more than it seems you can imagine or get your head around is truly awesome.

Also you are just wrong about Jesus not being both fully God and man. That is basic Christianity 101 my friend.

Quote: FrGamble

Just so I'm clear you don't think dying is a sacrifice

Not when you're fully god and fully
man! Like I said, you constantly
want Jesus to be both, god/man
and all that it entails, and totally
ignorant of what that means at
the same time. He walks around
for 3 years saying godlike things,
doing magic trick/miracles. Then
he goes to the cross saying, huh??
What's this all about.

So when he walked on water, was
he puzzled as to how he did that?
NO!! He knew he was fully god and
fully man, he was totally aware of
his powers. The myth makes zero
sense the way you interpret it.

Did you read this excellent article
I posted? None of this is new,
people have pointed this stuff
out forever. The gigantic holes
in the religion.

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/03/10-reasons-christianity-makes-no-sense/

"Jesus didn’t die. Christians are always going on about how Jesus died for our sins, but if he came back 3 days later then he didn’t die at all; more like being in a brief coma, which is a drag, but not exactly the ultimate sacrifice that the crucifixion is cracked up to be. And it wasn’t just his spirit that departed to heaven, but his actual physical being. If you go dig up a 3-day old grave, regardless of what you think may have happened to that person’s immortal soul, there’s still going to be a body in it. Jesus’ tomb, on the other hand, was empty, meaning that following his resurrection he was either a zombie or he was fully alive, neither of which is dead. Even more relevant is that when he was hanging there on the cross, Jesus knew that he was going to come back. He didn’t have to endure the fear of death that any other human being would have had to face or the uncertainty that presumably afflicts all but the most devout at the moment of death about whether there really was going to be an afterlife, or if this was lights out for good. Yes, he probably suffered physically, but he knew that death would be no more than a long nap and then he’d be up and at ‘em again. In short, he didn’t die."

Quote: Evenbob

Yeah, no. Watch this short 5min
video which is just a tip of the
iceberg on what Eherman has
to say on the subject. The 5min
will pass very quickly, just do it.

Great 5 minutes.

Quote: FrGamble

Just so I'm clear you don't think dying is a sacrifice but you have to stay dead. For how long? If youbtake another form or your immortal soul goes to Heaven do you have to wait a certain amount of time before anything you did on earth is a sacrifice?

What about if you step in front of a bus to save someone and you are only hurt temporarily, is that not a sacrifice?

Any answer about the soldier analogy?

Let me also get this straight, God who can do anything cannot die? Why is that? What if God was willing to die to save mankind, whom He loves? Could not God do that? I think you are thinking like a bumpkin and limiting God. Maybe you are puzzled by the depth of love God shows in willing to die? Well join the club the sacrifice of God who loves you more than it seems you can imagine or get your head around is truly awesome.

Also you are just wrong about Jesus not being both fully God and man. That is basic Christianity 101 my friend.

If God is, was and always will be, then God cannot die

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Evenbob

Yeah, no. Watch this short 5min
video which is just a tip of the
iceberg on what Eherman has
to say on the subject. The 5min
will pass very quickly, just do it.

Great 5 minutes.

Ehrman is a forensic historian. Forensic
means to apply scientific methods and
techniques to something. He's probably
the leading NT scholar in the world right
now. He went from total Xtian believer
to a total atheist/agnostic by examining
everything in the NT under the microscope
of forensic investigation. We know
10 times more information about how
and when and who wrote the NT than
we did just 75 years ago.

Quote: aceofspades

If God is, was and always will be, then God cannot die

Two things: God is Trinity, second how does this apply to God Incarnate?

Quote: FrGamble

Two things: God is Trinity, second how does this apply to God Incarnate?

Why state God is the Trinity?
If God is the Trinity then isn't that just implied when I use the term "God"?


Well, if God is not "God" without each element the Trinity, and one of the Trinity dies, then, for those 36 hours, God did not exist as all elements of the Trinity did not exist

Quote: aceofspades

Why state God is the Trinity?
If God is the Trinity then isn't that just implied when I use the term "God"?


Well, if God is not "God" without each element the Trinity, and one of the Trinity dies, then, for those 36 hours, God did not exist as all elements of the Trinity did not exist

Do you think dying means ceasing to exist? Is that what you are getting at? That would be a foreign concept to me and anyone with faith. What does death mean to you?

Quote: FrGamble

Do you think dying means ceasing to exist? Is that what you are getting at? That would be a foreign concept to me and anyone with faith. What does death mean to you?

Ahhhhhhh - ok then, as Bob proposes, if Jesus knew he would not cease to exist, then there was never a sacrifice


As for what death means to me - the cessation of respiratory, brain and heart functions - gone, goodbye, nothing else

Quote: aceofspades

Ahhhhhhh - ok then, as Bob proposes, if Jesus knew he would not cease to exist, then there was never a sacrifice

Do you see what's going on here? We have
a well educated priest and not even he
can explain the sacrifice, or even find one.
Imaging the dither the poor average Xtian
goes into when asked what the sacrifice
was. They usually just get mad at you and
walk away.