God and Gay Marriage

Quote: reno

Face, I really enjoyed that contribution. I didn't necessarily agree with all of it, but you certainly hit a couple home runs in there.



One of the myths which really needs to be debunked is that teenage girls these days are getting knocked up....

Nice summation. Too bad science and research carries no weight when the only other choice is abandoning everything upon which you've staked your vocation.

Further evidence: Colorado, in the past six years, has run an incredibly successful initiative in reproductive health: by providing free long-acting birth control to teens and low-income women starting in 2009, the state slashed the teen pregnancy rate by 40 percent by 2013, and the teen abortion rate by 42 percent.

But it's more important to make up sex rules.

Quote: reno

Yet it turns out that there were twice as many pregnant teens when I was in high school than there are today.

Interesting the graph trends up in the mid-to-late-80s, when I recall a number of articles about the "epidemic" of teenage mothers.

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But birth control has allowed us to separate sex from marriage, and so people can wait until they're 30 to get married, as opposed to tying the knot when they're just 19.

That's a very interesting idea. I suppose a look at marriage statistics would confirm a lot of it.

The cause may not be so simple as just contraception, though. Many people, especially women, are delaying marriage in order to get a career going first. If fewer people get married young, there's less pressure for others of their age to marry young; therefore the effect may be kind of self-catalytic in effect.

Very interesting.

I concede that artificial birth control does what it was designed to do. However like a drug with awful side effects, it might solve one problem but cause or exacerbate others. It does nothing to solve what Face called our, "brokenness".Birth control doesn't call us to be better, it allows us to be bad without consequences. Some might call this a victory, but I do not.

Do you have a chart of the marriage rate to go with that chart of the divorce rate, in the same scale of divorces/marriages per 1000 people?

I suspect that the marriage rate per 1000 people has also been going down.

it would also be interesting to see the divorces per marriages rate.

Quote: FrGamble

However like a drug with awful side effects, it might solve one problem but cause or exacerbate others.

Preventing the killing of an unborn baby surely trumps the other side effects. Can't we prioritize? Jaywalking isn't as bad as armed robbery. Condoms aren't as bad as abortion.

Quote: FrGamble

Birth control doesn't call us to be better, it allows us to be bad without consequences.

Of course there are still consequences. For example, contraceptives can facilitate adultery. That's awful. IUDs, diaphragm, hormones, vasectomies do nothing to protect against STDs-- so there is a false sense of security. That's terrible. Contraceptives help the womanizer seduce & lie to his victim. That's appalling. Contraceptives help the pimp recruit his prostitutes. That's disgusting.

Nevertheless, the benefits far outweigh the harms. Over 32,000 people die annually in car accidents, but the benefits of the automobile outweigh the harms, no?

Divorces have gone down since 2008 because
they're expensive and people can't afford it.
They make less now and work fewer hours.

Quote: reno

For example, contraceptives can facilitate adultery.

So do cell phones.

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Nevertheless, the benefits far outweigh the harms. Over 32,000 people die annually in car accidents, but the benefits of the automobile outweigh the harms, no?

My point above. If we banned everything that has any adverse consequences, we'd have to ban pretty much everything. Ourselves included.

Quote: reno

Nevertheless, the benefits far outweigh the harms. Over 32,000 people die annually in car accidents, but the benefits of the automobile outweigh the harms, no?

I completely disagree. Are you saying that contraceptives are as essential as the automobile? In the case of cars the benefits outweigh the harms because we really don't have another choice. If I could give you a sure way to reach your destination without a chance of you or anyone else getting hurt, would you take it, of course. Chastity is a sure way to reach your destination in safety and joy without hurting anyone, why would you not take it? Just to go with your poor analogy a little further; what artificial contraception seems to do is raise the speed limit. It gets people used to going faster than is humanly safe. So let me ask you do the benefits of eliminating the speed limit outweigh the fact that even more people will die or get seriously hurt? I think not.

Quote: FrGamble

Chastity is a sure way to reach your destination in safety and joy .

'Joyful chastity', isn't that just about the oldest
oxymoron there is? Oil and water mix better
than those two concepts..