Was Jesus God?

Quote: FrGamble

It is almost as if it was in our nature to strive to improve and heal ourselves.

Yet the Church is against anything they think
is unnatural. Homosexuality is natural, but
not to the Church. Oral and anal sex is natural,
not to the Church. When a sperm encounters
an egg they join, but if it's done with an
instrument, it's unnatural to the Church.
Women have just as many rights as men,
but not in the Church.

You know what's not natural. The Church.

It is natural to heal. All of us have that ability and it is a wonderful thing when we use our knowledge and technology to help what comes natural to us. It is not natural for a woman to have a child by herself, that just doesn't happen. You need to use artificial means to do something artificial and unnatural. You couldn't use our knowledge and technology for example to make or create something unnatural like a dragon or a mix between a human and a frog. I trust you get the distinction between what is natural and is helped using technology and what is unnatural that can, but should not be done using technology.

Evenbob, if you think about it for a second objectively I think you have to conclude that it is not according the nature of our bodies to stick our genitals in someone's mouth or anus. It is also unnatural to remove someone's egg and sperm and fertilize it in a petri dish somewhere. I almost feel embarrassed for you having to make this argument.

Quote: FrGamble

You last answer was not an answer it was just a needless insult.

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Quote: rxwine

Conceiving naturally doesn't mean anything, except that one is functional as a reproductive facility. The average idiot is capable, and tyrants, and losers.

I found a quotation attributed to John Randolph in an Isaac Asimov joke book: "Sir, you pride yourself on an ability in which any barbarian is your equal and any jackass immeasurably your superior."

Quote: FrGamble

It is natural to heal. All of us have that ability and it is a wonderful thing when we use our knowledge and technology to help what comes natural to us. It is not natural for a woman to have a child by herself, that just doesn't happen. You need to use artificial means to do something artificial and unnatural. You couldn't use our knowledge and technology for example to make or create something unnatural like a dragon or a mix between a human and a frog. I trust you get the distinction between what is natural and is helped using technology and what is unnatural that can, but should not be done using technology.

Sure don't.

It's definitely not natural to modify and/or operate on an infant with a birth defects which should have killed it, or use methods to keep it alive when it is very premature when it would have died.

What is not natural about helping a infant to live using all the technology or medicine we have?!?

Back at you.

What is not natural about a woman having a baby in less than ideal circumstances. All woman naturally have babies in ideal circumstances? Sure do not. How else do you answer it? Only when there is a man and a woman? That would be a ridiculous answer.

What is the ideal circumstance for a woman to have a baby? Doesn't the ideal circumstance usually require the presence of a male? A woman cannot naturally have a baby by herself or with the help of another woman. That would be ridiculous.

Babies are being born in war zones with father's dead. Not up to you to judge what is ideal. Surely a woman and woman or man and a man fits the non-ideal of nature and parents to be.

Again you are right it is not up to me to judge or for you or anyone else including the Pope. It is just the way we are. However, you are also correct in that homosexual couples can of course raise children wonderfully. I feel I have been very clear on this point.