Was Jesus God?

Quote: boymimbo

I do not and cannot support church sanctioned gay marriage but I fully support the legal status of two people joining in civil unions recognized by the governments.

What of churches which do recognize and perform same sex marriages?

Historically it'll be a bleep. But there will be a split in many Protestant denominations over this.

Not that it will lead to neo-monophysitism or anything good :)

Quote: Nareed

Legally it should be. morally it is.

But what I said is the distinction between same sex and heterosexual couples is inessential.

But wait as a transgendered person don't you agree that being a male or a female is very important? If the difference is legally inessential or not important why go through all the sacrifice, pain, and heroically endure the unfair prejudice you experience to change your gender?

If you agree that men and women are essentially and beautifully different and complimentary than why in the world would we not call the different combinations or relationships between men and women by different names? It is almost as if you are saying we should get rid of the distinction of male and female and that would be disastrous and just not true to reality.

Quote: Nareed

Point blank: If they asked you whether they should give up their child to a straight couple, what would you say?

Of course they shouldn't. This child is the mothers after all. I would say that the father if it is possible to know who that is should have some rights to know his child and be a part of the child's life.

Quote: FrGamble

The purpose of these adoption agencies

But we're not TALKING about adoption
agencies and you know it. Two Gay
women come to you and want to make
a baby with sperm from a man. Do you
vett the man, see that he's make a good
father, and advise them one of them
should marry him and make the baby.
Do you find out he would be a bad
parent and give your blessing to the
women to do it their way.

You do NEITHER of these things. The
position of the Church in every single
case is for the man woman scenario.
Just like in the old days it
was hire the White over the Black for
the good job in every single case.

There's a name for this way of doing
things. Lets all say it together. Shall
I link to the article again where Catholics
themselves say:

"The Roman Catholic Church is bigoted, misogynistic, controlling, judgmental, outdated and pharisaical"

Quote: FrGamble

Make that two Christians who are with you. I agree with everything boymimbo says in the above post.

"When someone offers you friendship with one hand and stabs you in the back with the other, you tend to notice the knife a bit more."

"Maybe you should keep your friends close and your enemies closer, but make damn sure to dump your lukewarm allies."

Does that sound like something I would say?

Quote: FrGamble

It is almost as if you are saying we should get rid of the distinction of male and female and that would be disastrous and just not true to reality.

I can't answer in a way that wouldn't get me suspended.

But I will say I have concluded that the vaunted Catholic focus on scholarship is a vast exaggeration.

Bob, I was talking about adoption agencies and I think you did know that. However, to answer your strange question would bring us into a discussion of the Church's teaching on in-vitro fertilization which could and should be another thread if you are interested.

Why would anyone tell a lesbian that she would need to marry a man? That makes no sense. I would advise them to look into the Courage apostolate, shall I link to their website again? The position of the Church is that all things being equal than it is better for a child to be raised by a mother and father. If the father or mother are evil then that is obviously not best for the child and there are other situations that would be better for the child. I don't see what is so hard to grasp about this point.

Quote: FrGamble

Of course they shouldn't. This child is the mothers after all. I would say that the father if it is possible to know who that is should have some rights to know his child and be a part of the child's life.

But wouldn't the child be better off with a straight couple?

Would you advise any couple who adopts a child to involve the biological parents as well?

Quote: FrGamble

it is better for a child to be raised by a mother and father.

Do you say to a Lesbian couple who want to
have a baby:

It is better for a child to be raised by a mother and father.
But if that is not possible, as in your case, you have my
blessing to have and raise a baby.

This is an easy and straightforward question.
Would you ever say this to a Lesbian couple?

Quote: FrGamble

Again I hope and pray they are the best possible parental figures for their child but the truth that we all really know is that it is not natural for a woman to use a sperm donor in order to conceive.

Real women conceive immaculately!