Was Jesus God?

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You can't demean entire groups of people, call them sinful, call their lives and very existence sinful, exclude them from normal, every day actions, treat them with condescension and contempt, and expect others not to follow your example. Mouthing empty, hypocritical words of tolerance only makes you seem shallow and hypocritical.

I can't even begin to tell you how
well said this is, Nareed. It's why
I have him blocked from sending
PM's. I got so tired of being told
I'm 'broken' and 'sad', how bad
people are, how they have to do
better, how they always miss the mark.
The Church has to constantly reinforce
the negative stereotype or they would
be out of business.

It's a passive/aggressive approach that
works with gullible, disoriented people.
To a strong minded person, it's just
annoying.

Quote: Evenbob

This is a good example of:

Yet
you
did!

Quote: Nareed

You can't demean entire groups of people, call them sinful, call their lives and very existence sinful, exclude them from normal, every day actions, treat them with condescension and contempt, and expect others not to follow your example. Mouthing empty, hypocritical words of tolerance only makes you seem shallow and hypocritical.

Bingo on this point.

I was watching Andy Stanley late last night. Jesus said there are two commandments to follow: Love God, and Love your Neighbor. Stanley goes on to say: "Religion has its place. It's second".... Jesus never leveraged theology to mistreat a person or leveraged theology to say "I'd really like to help you but I can't because this is what the Bible says".

Jesus' conscience was informed by compassion rather than consistency. "You are more important to me than my view". When we put religion over people, we are taking a step backwards.

There is a stark difference between reading what the bible says and our resulting attitudes to the people who don't do what the bible says. Jesus' instructions on how to treat people is clear: Love. When we as Christians are not doing that and spouting religion, there's a problem. On the other hand, you can still love on the one hand and be critical on the other. That's how you raise children.

I think FRGamble's intent are borne out of this love and I think he's trying, y'all.

Quote: Evenbob

The job is to put them with loving human
parents. The bigotry of the Church prevented
that when the couple was same sex. Of
course you don't see it as bigotry, bigots seldom
do.

I have a question for both Nareed and FrG.

For Nareed, it seems that I am under the same "attack" as you and the LGBT crowd. FrG has commented before on relationships after divorce, lamenting and maybe even condemning those who don't at least wait until the legal process is complete and the divorce is official. I did not do that. I self release, I have sex outside of marriage, I do a lot of things every bit as bad (in the eyes of the church) as the issues you face. I rarely if ever take offense, and certainly never take deep offense. Mostly, I lolCatholicism and take about as much offense as I do when TheCesspit rags on my about the Leafs. I suppose I'm wondering why you've chosen war as opposed to ignoring the ludicrousness of it all.

And for FrG, all the stuff I just admitted to seems to be on par with the "violations" of the LGBT crowd. I don't recall homosexuality being described as more/less an abomination or slight to God than my actions. They're pretty much all balled into the "mortal sin" category. So why is it that those who follow the Word seem to key in on the LGBT so much? Why are there pickets and rallies condemning them, while I can fornicate coast to coast with impunity? I've seen "God hates fags" signs. I've seen "Gays go to hell". I've never seen "Hellfire for gigolos" or "Ladies men repent". Especially since my actions can result in illegitimate children who may be raised in a one parent, low income broken home, it seems my actions have much, much worse implications than those of teh gheys. So why the seemingly one sided targeting?

Quote: Nareed

You can't demean entire groups of people, call them sinful, call their lives and very existence sinful, exclude them from normal, every day actions, treat them with condescension and contempt, and expect others not to follow your example. Mouthing empty, hypocritical words of tolerance only makes you seem shallow and hypocritical.

What is shallow and disingenuous is you continuing to construct a type of Catholic boogeyman or better strawman. To reiterate the Church does not call our homosexual brothers and sisters sinful. We do not call their lives and very existence sinful!!! They are not excluded and not treated with condescension and contempt. You are mouthing lies and insults that are not true and you are better than that.

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Since when is sex outside of marriage only recreational? What world have you been inhabiting for the past thirty years?

What is the purpose of sex outside of marriage?

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So how many children do infertile couples produce each yer? One million? How many are born to women in their 70s?

None. Is getting old not natural? Do not infertile couples exist without them doing anything to make them so? In all these cases where procreation is not possible it is not because of the nature of the act it is because of other natural circumstances such as old age or illness.

Quote: Evenbob

It's why
I have him blocked from sending
PM's. I got so tired of being told
I'm 'broken' and 'sad', how bad
people are, how they have to do
better, how they always miss the mark.

I don't think this breaks any rules as they are some excerpts from my own PMs to Evenbob:

"I am pointing out that people have great value even though they have a few dents and dings. You are infinitely valuable."

"It's strange you used to complain that I put too much value on human beings and you used to say that we are not worth more than a cockroach. I am glad you saw the light on that one. I'm also glad you think highly of yourself you should."

"it is not about negativity but it is about the positive call you and all of us have to continue to be better. Remember that you love your dog the way he is, but aren't you glad he is potty trained. You are great now however God doesn't want to you to settle for just good enough - "

I wonder if this is what Bob is talking about? The Church is constantly reinforcing a positive conception of who people are because we are committed to the truth.

Quote: Face

I have a question for both Nareed and FrG.

And for FrG, all the stuff I just admitted to seems to be on par with the "violations" of the LGBT crowd. I don't recall homosexuality being described as more/less an abomination or slight to God than my actions. They're pretty much all balled into the "mortal sin" category. So why is it that those who follow the Word seem to key in on the LGBT so much? Why are there pickets and rallies condemning them, while I can fornicate coast to coast with impunity? I've seen "God hates fags" signs. I've seen "Gays go to hell". I've never seen "Hellfire for gigolos" or "Ladies men repent". Especially since my actions can result in illegitimate children who may be raised in a one parent, low income broken home, it seems my actions have much, much worse implications than those of teh gheys. So why the seemingly one sided targeting?

I think the problem is both Nareed and I think we are right. It is like an unmovable object meeting a irresistible force. I don't think anyone who is womanizing is really proud of it. I don't know anyone who goes home to brag about how much sex they have had with strangers or one night stands. By the way just to make you feel included the sins you mention can also be considered worse not only because of the reasons you mention but because they are a failure of morality on many levels. A homosexual in a committed monogamous relationship who falls and has sex is not nearly as bad as a man who is in a relationship with a woman and sleeps around with all kind of other women.

Finally, I don't think preaching hellfire or brimstone or holding those offensive signs does anything at all to help anyone. It is just hate. You have never seen a Catholic holding one of those signs. It is much better to begin in love and reason, those things change hearts and minds not hateful signs.

Quote: FrGamble

I wonder if this is what Bob is talking about?

None of it is.

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The Church is constantly reinforcing a positive conception of who people are because we are committed to the truth.

What a laugh. You're committed to the twisted
agenda of your Church, nothing else. Shall we
take a trip down the history lane again, so you
can dance around what past says your 'positive
conception' of how to treat people. Your church
is the joke of the world. You might be the first
Church to ever go broke from paying hush money.

Quote: AZDuffman

The job is to put them with loving human
parents. The bigotry of the Church prevented
that when the couple was same sex. Of
course you don't see it as bigotry, bigots seldom
do.

What do you call closing an orphanage rather
than putting a kid with Gay parents. That's
bigotry on parade.