Was Jesus God?

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you will find that the Catholic Church and our Pope try to ask the question, "Who am I to judge?"
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If only your church practiced what it
preached. You aren't fooling anybody,
as Nareed has pointed out a hundred
times.

Quote: Evenbob

If only your church practiced what it
preached.

At last you speak the truth!

Quote: FrGamble

I don't think it is discrimination to say that a child if possible should be raised by a mother and father.

And if not possible, better they should stay orphaned than be placed with a same sex couple.

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I don't think it is discrimination to say that sexual activity of homosexuals is not according to natural law.

Not only it's prejudice, it's also conductive to violence and mistreatment of LGBT people everywhere.

But we're at war because of things like this.

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I need you to hear that I am not saying that homosexual activity is any worse than other sexual activity outside of the covenant of marriage. Is any of this discrimination?

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with consensual sexual activity outside of marriage. So you're prejudiced on one more front.

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I should be amazed that you will say anything to avoid coming to terms with a point. The Church has always and will always protect human life, especially at its most vulnerable.

The people burned at the stake by order of the church will be soooo happy to know this.

Do you know a line about sins and stones being cast? Do you believe it?

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For you:
Prejudice is Truth.
Oppression is Nature.

LOL!

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What is unnatural about infertile heterosexual couples having sex? or elderly opposite sex couples?

Can there be reproduction in either case? Are they not decoupling reproduction from sex, which you so seemingly abhorred a few posts ago? Isn't procreation the natural use for sex. Isn't procreation the only reason why sex exists in the first place, according to your world view?

All prejudice can be rationalized away. no one likes to see themselves as a bigot. If bigotry were honest about itself, it couldn't exist.

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Didn't you yourself say that there was more to having sex than procreation?

No. I said procreation is a secondary function of sex among human beings. I also said there is more to sex than "genital activity."

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I don't understand your questions, they all prove my point that sexual activity between men and women is a natural and good act.

You mean rape is natural and good???

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Only if are ready to admit that what you see as prejudice and double standards are only a reflection of reality and truth.

A very wise woman once said: "If bigotry were honest about itself, it couldn't exist."

Quote: FrGamble

I don't know why you wouldn't find a home in the Catholic Church. While all Churches, Synagogues, Mosques, Temples, and even gatherings of Atheists are full of sinners who are not very tolerant I think you will find that the Catholic Church and our Pope try to ask the question, "Who am I to judge?"

I fail to see why you think anyone should find a home inside your cult, just because Francis punted on a question.

Quote: Nareed

And if not possible, better they should stay orphaned than be placed with a same sex couple.

I didn't say that and I don't believe that.

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Not only it's prejudice, it's also conductive to violence and mistreatment of LGBT people everywhere.

But we're at war because of things like this.

Again you are saying things that don't follow. It is a sad fact that there is violence and mistreatment of LGBT people everywhere. This doesn't change the facts of nature. If people lived according to the teachings of Jesus this violence and mistreatment would not exist. The hypocrisy and sins of others don't change the facts. You are causing this war because you think that the simple statement of facts is prejudice.

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There is nothing intrinsically wrong with consensual sexual activity outside of marriage. So you're prejudiced on one more front.

Do you really believe recreational sex with people is a healthy thing. Again the facts show you that you are wrong. Maybe you are prejudiced against reality.

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Do you know a line about sins and stones being cast? Do you believe it?

I do believe it very deeply.

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Can there be reproduction in either case? Are they not decoupling reproduction from sex, which you so seemingly abhorred a few posts ago? Isn't procreation the natural use for sex. Isn't procreation the only reason why sex exists in the first place, according to your world view?

No, procreation is not the only reason why sex exists. I am not decoupling reproduction from sex unless you make yourself artificially infertile in some way.

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No. I said procreation is a secondary function of sex among human beings. I also said there is more to sex than "genital activity."

I still am waiting for you to describe your definition of sex. If you mean hugs, picnics, holding hands, sharing life, hopes, and dreams with a loved one than all of those things are beautiful no matter what gender you are or your partner is.

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You mean rape is natural and good???

Of course not! I'm sorry I assumed consensual and in the covenant of marriage.

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A very wise woman once said: "If bigotry were honest about itself, it couldn't exist."

This is a very wise statement I wonder did the woman who said it actually listen to her own advice?

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You are causing this war because you think that the simple statement of facts is prejudice.

But it's not a fact that it's a sin for
two men to have sex. Sin doesn't
exist except in the small minds of
people who to control others. Like
the Church.

Quote: FrGamble

I didn't say that and I don't believe that.

You believe Christian adoption agencies were better off closed than helping same sex couples adopt. This despite professing to believe same sex couples can be good parents.

How does that not translate into: better not help any kids get any parents rather than help a single same sex couple adopt?


More later. I'm running way behind in my so-called job. It's so inherently unproductive, and in some ways counter-productive, I'm thinking of founding a religion based on getting government contracts.

Quote: Nareed

You believe Christian adoption agencies were better off closed than helping same sex couples adopt. This despite professing to believe same sex couples can be good parents.

I do not believe what you are saying. I am saying that because it was their preference to try and place children with moms and dads the federal government made it impossible for Catholic adoption agencies to do their job and in the process children and parents were harmed.

Quote: FrGamble

made it impossible for Catholic adoption agencies to do their job .

The job is to put them with loving human
parents. The bigotry of the Church prevented
that when the couple was same sex. Of
course you don't see it as bigotry, bigots seldom
do.

Quote: FrGamble

Again you are saying things that don't follow. It is a sad fact that there is violence and mistreatment of LGBT people everywhere. This doesn't change the facts of nature. If people lived according to the teachings of Jesus this violence and mistreatment would not exist. The hypocrisy and sins of others don't change the facts. You are causing this war because you think that the simple statement of facts is prejudice.

You can't demean entire groups of people, call them sinful, call their lives and very existence sinful, exclude them from normal, every day actions, treat them with condescension and contempt, and expect others not to follow your example. Mouthing empty, hypocritical words of tolerance only makes you seem shallow and hypocritical.

I'll let you imagine what I think of shifting the blame to "God."

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Do you really believe recreational sex with people is a healthy thing.

Since when is sex outside of marriage only recreational? What world have you been inhabiting for the past thirty years?

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I am not decoupling reproduction from sex unless you make yourself artificially infertile in some way.

So how many children do infertile couples produce each yer? One million? How many are born to women in their 70s?

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Of course not! I'm sorry I assumed consensual and in the covenant of marriage.

So rape=sex outside marriage?