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Quote: RonC

Why did he sign the law if he felt is was unconstitutional? Just to say that he did? Why didn't he veto it, saying what his premise for thinking it was unconstitutional was, and send it back to the Congress?

Why did he let go of five terrorists when the past record of recidivism seems so high? I understand...there was an American that needed help...but five people who can help the enemy? This isn't like some low-level POW swap...and the whole thing does not seem very well thought out.

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Quote: chickenman

...when will this unbridled audacity be challenged? When has everyone had enough?

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Quote: RonC

I feel sorry for the President. He has no idea what the truth even is at this point.

Aw c'mon Ron, the puny minds of right wing TV land must be failing you guys.

These 5 will be cooling their heels for a year with their families. They may yell like Richard Pryor in a skit, stop holding me back, but they'll be in no hurry. We have their DNA. We know their Family , relatives, friends by now. They probably have a dozen microchips embed in their anal area alone. We'll know who they meet or talk to while they hang out and especially anyone new. Just more info.

Meanwhile, we are drawing down in Afghanistan. Ron this is a place soon forgotten. Taliban unlike Al-Q has regional interests. So they get back in a year, if then. WE are nearly gone there. Will they even be trusted with much?

Our POW is back. Betting Obama is careful to let the facts dictate whether he is guilty of anything or not. This is an easy play. He got the guy out, now if the guy is proved to need more punishment, Obama is free to ignore.

Nothing will come of the 30 day thing. Prisoner exchange, and no time. No one will care. How will Repubs keep from distracting from Benghazi?

So, all in all, Obama makes 3 point shot, and got fouled, makes additional points.

Score!

Quote: RonC

I feel sorry for the President. He has no idea what the truth even is at this point.

What politician is ever concerned with the truth?

The other point is that the folks at Gitmo have not been charged or convicted of anything. They are "enemy combatents", jailed for eternity for no crime based on the "war on terror". Name another country where its government is free to fly planers around the world, pick up people, name them enemy combatents, fly them to another country, torture them, and keep them in perpetuity without proving wrongdoing, without a named war proclaimed? Perhaps the last example might be the Jews of World War II.

Charge them, convict them, penalize them, or let them go. Most non-Americans feel that way. The United States complains about how other countries treat their citizens and visitors yet it spies on its own citizens, flies drones over foreign territories, and steals citizens of other countries and brings them to other countries to be "tortured" (without repercussion) using loopholes in its own US law and the Geneva convention to get around its own ethics, all in the name of the "War on Terror".

Obama is equally as complicit as Bush is on this one in this incredibly abhorrent behaviour. Obama promised he would do something about it, and he never did. He should take his Peace prize and mail if back to Sweden and tell them to give it to the runner-up with his sincere apologies. If he refuses to do that, then he should shove the prize up his warmongering anus. And yeah, I'm liberal.

So as for the trade, who gives a crap? It was wrong to keep them at Gitmo in the first place, and two wrongs still makes a wrong. Close Gitmo and either try the prisoners under US law or let them go.

Quote: boymimbo

Name another country where its government is free to fly planers around the world, pick up people, name them enemy combatents, fly them to another country, torture them, and keep them in perpetuity without proving wrongdoing, without a named war proclaimed?

Any nation is free to try it, can they pull it off is something else. While we have kept them, we have not done any torture.

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Charge them, convict them, penalize them, or let them go. Most non-Americans feel that way.

You can't "charge them" as it is not a criminal matter. If you "charge them" then it open up a new can of worms. Saudi Arabia or some other muslim country could then "charge" me for speaking out against Islam. I don't want to see the ability to do this given under international law. They are not POWs as they were fighting under no national force. For that matter, Afghanistan was (and kind of still is) a country in name only. Depending on where we drop them they might actually get tortured if the right people get hold of them. No win for anyone.

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Obama is equally as complicit as Bush is on this one in this incredibly abhorrent behaviour. Obama promised he would do something about it, and he never did. He should take his Peace prize and mail if back to Sweden and tell them to give it to the runner-up with his sincere apologies. If he refuses to do that, then he should shove the prize up his warmongering anus. And yeah, I'm liberal.

That peace prize was the joke of the decade, shows that the prize is a meaningless left-wing award.

What's hilarious is a WH insider claims they
thought Obama would be a hero over this,
like Reagan was when the Iran hostages were
released. Instead, the stink coming from this
WH just went up about 4 notches. LOL!

Quote: rxwine

Aw c'mon Ron, the puny minds of right wing TV land must be failing you guys.

These 5 will be cooling their heels for a year with their families. They may yell like Richard Pryor in a skit, stop holding me back, but they'll be in no hurry. We have their DNA. We know their Family , relatives, friends by now. They probably have a dozen microchips embed in their anal area alone. We'll know who they meet or talk to while they hang out and especially anyone new. Just more info.

Meanwhile, we are drawing down in Afghanistan. Ron this is a place soon forgotten. Taliban unlike Al-Q has regional interests. So they get back in a year, if then. WE are nearly gone there. Will they even be trusted with much?

Our POW is back. Betting Obama is careful to let the facts dictate whether he is guilty of anything or not. This is an easy play. He got the guy out, now if the guy is proved to need more punishment, Obama is free to ignore.

Nothing will come of the 30 day thing. Prisoner exchange, and no time. No one will care. How will Repubs keep from distracting from Benghazi?

So, all in all, Obama makes 3 point shot, and got fouled, makes additional points.

Score!

3 point shot? The best it could be would be an extra point; yet he has no touchdowns of late. He committed a foul on the play...he may even have to try again for the point.

Republicans can do more than one thing at at time and the scandals of this Presidency are growing. If the President would stop stepping in it, he'd probably keep his free pass from the press. He can't do it. He is incapable of staying out of controversy.

Quote: boymimbo

He should take his Peace prize and mail if back to Sweden and tell them to give it to the runner-up with his sincere apologies. If he refuses to do that, then he should shove the prize up his warmongering anus. And yeah, I'm liberal.

This "Peace Prize" transcends even the normal left-leaning tilt of the prize. His actual accomplishments at that time on the international level were minimal, at best. He was undeserving, to say the least.

Quote: RonC

3 point shot? The best it could be would be an extra point; yet he has no touchdowns of late. He committed a foul on the play...he may even have to try again for the point.

Yes, but as a liberal he gets a trophy for participating.

Now the WH is claiming they didn't broker the
exchange, Qatar did. WTF..