Original Sin?

May 22nd, 2020 at 6:07:20 PM permalink
FrGamble
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The original sin was when we started deciding to believe things absent Empirical proof. This tendency almost undoubtedly stifled our ingenuity and thereby caused us to not be as advanced now as we otherwise could have been. It is impossible to tally up all of the people, in the course of human history, who have been killed by one means or another in furtherance of one make believe character or the other.

Fortunately, the median age of those who are fervent in these beliefs trends older than the median age of the whole, which means the numbers in this regard are not being fully replaced. If we, as a whole, live long enough, the scourge of religion, particularly organized religion, will have been completely eradicated.

Statistically, I should live to see this number fall safely below 50%, so at least I’ll have that.


It is the scourge of Atheism, materialism, and secularism that we should pray hard to be completely eradicated. In the last century more people have died in wars fueled by an abandonment of God and faith then in all the previous centuries added together. The loss of faith in God is not helping us but destroying us. Society is fraying and their are more people in slavery due to sex and unfair labor than ever before in history. Secular and atheistic ideas and philosophies are anti-intellectual, tend towards violence and oppression, and due not respect the God given freedom and dignity of every human person.
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May 22nd, 2020 at 6:58:48 PM permalink
aceofspades
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It is the scourge of Atheism, materialism, and secularism that we should pray hard to be completely eradicated. In the last century more people have died in wars fueled by an abandonment of God and faith then in all the previous centuries added together. The loss of faith in God is not helping us but destroying us. Society is fraying and their are more people in slavery due to sex and unfair labor than ever before in history. Secular and atheistic ideas and philosophies are anti-intellectual, tend towards violence and oppression, and due not respect the God given freedom and dignity of every human person.


I'd say more violence in the short history of the world has been done in the name of God than anything else
May 22nd, 2020 at 7:26:27 PM permalink
FrGamble
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And you would be wrong.
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May 22nd, 2020 at 7:34:21 PM permalink
aceofspades
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And you would be wrong.


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May 22nd, 2020 at 10:26:17 PM permalink
Evenbob
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And you would be wrong.


Not wrong at all. Wars in the
name of god have gone on
for millennia. You want to
compare that to the recent
wars that have high death counts
due to modern tech advances.
And as we have talked about
before, Hitler was raised strictly
Catholic in a Catholic family. He
even wanted to attend seminary
when he was young. He learned
his hatred of Jews from a then
Jew hating Vatican who, when
Hitler was a boy, was terrified
of the Jews regaining control
of the Holy Land and spoke out
frequently against them.

According to the The Catholic
World Report, Hitler was not
a Xtian or an atheist. He was
something twisted in between
the two. He was a pantheist
who believed god was in nature
and nature was divine.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
May 23rd, 2020 at 2:46:07 AM permalink
FrGamble
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He believed that he was God or the State, either way he rejected God and as we have seen over and over in history when that happens bad things follow.
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May 23rd, 2020 at 6:52:20 AM permalink
Mission146
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It is the scourge of Atheism, materialism, and secularism that we should pray hard to be completely eradicated. In the last century more people have died in wars fueled by an abandonment of God and faith then in all the previous centuries added together. The loss of faith in God is not helping us but destroying us. Society is fraying and their are more people in slavery due to sex and unfair labor than ever before in history. Secular and atheistic ideas and philosophies are anti-intellectual, tend towards violence and oppression, and due not respect the God given freedom and dignity of every human person.


Because your prayers have worked so well before. Good luck. He ain't there, nobody's listening. I hope you pray out loud, because then at least one person will hear you.

I refuse to dignify any of the specifics with a response; it would be beneath me, other than to say actually wanting to prove a theory is the opposite of anti-intellectual. That's how science and math work.
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman
May 23rd, 2020 at 10:03:27 AM permalink
Evenbob
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other than to say actually wanting to prove a theory is the opposite of anti-intellectual. That's how science and math work.


It's something new, you didn't
see this cloying need in the
Church to prove all their
off the wall ideas with science.
They had actual faith, no need
of proof. Joseph Campbell talks
about that, how in the 30's and
40's no priest would ever argue
about his beliefs. They just
accepted on faith that they were
true. And woe be to you if you
were a priest and doubted them.
Goodbye priesthood.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
May 23rd, 2020 at 1:04:20 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
It's something new, you didn't
see this cloying need in the
Church to prove all their
off the wall ideas with science.
They had actual faith, no need
of proof. Joseph Campbell talks
about that, how in the 30's and
40's no priest would ever argue
about his beliefs. They just
accepted on faith that they were
true. And woe be to you if you
were a priest and doubted them.
Goodbye priesthood.


Riiiiiiiiiight
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May 23rd, 2020 at 2:31:44 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Riiiiiiiiiight


You didn't take a vow of obedience
when you became a priest? Part
of which means you have to uphold
the teachings and positions of the
Church, you can't veer off into the
weeds with your own theories
and ignore the ones you were
taught.

So no matter what is said here,
you will always always always
take the Vatican position on
everything because you swore
to as part of your job.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.