Original Sin?
November 26th, 2019 at 12:23:23 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
So what are you talking about that happens in your life because of your belief in god that doesn't happen in my life as an atheist. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 26th, 2019 at 12:30:36 PM permalink | |
Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 |
Matthew 7:7 Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |
November 26th, 2019 at 12:47:01 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
"Ask and it will be given to you" We've already discussed this into the ground. Jesus says he's a vending machine, FrG says we don't know how to read it. I think it's pretty clear from all 'just ask and it's yours' passages that Jesus meant exactly that. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 26th, 2019 at 7:06:40 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | I think I have been pretty unequivocal in my opinion that if you can't prove it scientifically, then it is just a fantasy and it isn't real. Cook up all the hypothesis you want, rationalize it six ways from Sunday, make a rationally sounding but ultimately hollow logical argument and it all amounts to the same thing: nothing. With that, I am out, until the next ridiculous claim that I can't seem to manage to ignore no matter how much I want to. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
November 26th, 2019 at 8:15:36 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
If you are looking for a rationally sounding but ultimately hallow logic argument look no further than what you posit above. It is self-defeating. How can you prove scientifically that any opinion that is not scientifically proven is a fantasy? Your arguement fails it's own test. Outside of that it limits all opinions to things that can be quantified, examined, and tested. Think about what you could never have an opinion on? Add to this it is entirely impractical and impossible to live according to this opinion. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 26th, 2019 at 8:16:54 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
If that was the whole Bible and Tradition and Teaching of Christ you might have a point. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 26th, 2019 at 8:51:05 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 | The burden of proof is on the one making the affirmative statement. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
November 26th, 2019 at 9:12:24 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
And an affirmative statement is also claiming that something does not exist. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 27th, 2019 at 12:36:05 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
But we non believers don't care. We have no agenda we're pushing, we aren't trying to convert anybody into atheism. It's our personal belief for our personal way of living. Your main job outside of caring for the flock, is converting people to your way of thinking. To change they're reality to your reality because you've been told it's best for them. It's the height of egoism and self righteousness that god people think they always know what's best for everybody else. In the past they took that attitude to the extreme, and people died because of this self righteous. Thankfully all the teeth have been removed from the Church. But the same self righteousness remains fully intact. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 27th, 2019 at 1:01:32 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | That is a colorful image but I think more that it is YOUR POV. That God provides but only if we 'believe in the machine' and go thru the motions of manipulating the proper levers. Only then is something dispensed and its value determined as divine. |