Original Sin?
November 25th, 2019 at 10:01:23 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Nothing to worry about in regards to a religious fight in regards to space-time and these other things. It is such exciting and speculative stuff that is more theoretical than anything. It is interesting to talk about but none of it does or can reach any conclusions about God's existence. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 25th, 2019 at 10:51:13 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Not at all. He says at the very start it's wrong, and then explains it. He then details why it's wrong.
In a universe that's been here forever and is infinite, no problem. Terrible news for your wandering bedouin god, oh well.
But how could it, there is no god. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 25th, 2019 at 12:27:34 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I don't think he explains why it is wrong. He gives a whole list of other ideas, did you think anyone of them was more convincing than the others?
An infinite regress of causality is a big problem no matter what.
You've said this a lot, I think I know what you believe. This doesn't make it true however and you can't just keep parroting what you believe as a reason for your conclusions about God's existence. Try some reasoning beyond just your own feelings, evidence, intuitions, or thoughts. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 25th, 2019 at 12:37:25 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Look in the mirror and say those words to yourself, slowly. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
November 25th, 2019 at 1:29:22 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Do you really think I sound like that? I'm sorry if I do. I always try to give reasons to support my believe in God and not just say I believe because I believe. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 25th, 2019 at 1:39:24 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Catholics are really hung up on that. I see it all the time on Catholic sites. It's like they've been taught this is an inarguable position, and it's so not what they think it is.
But all your reasoning since 2014 on this forum has been faulty. You won't find god with reasoning, how pathetic a god would be if that's the only way to find him. One persons reasoning is another persons belly laugh, to paraphrase Heinlein. Here are some more: Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. [Robert Heinlein, "Notebooks of Lazarus Long," from Time Enough for Love (1973).] The most preposterous notion that H. Sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all of history. [Robert Heinlein, "Notebooks of Lazarus Long," from Time Enough for Love (1973).] One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it. [Robert A. Heinlein, JOB: A Comedy of Justice, (1984).] If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 25th, 2019 at 1:49:05 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Much less speculative and theoretical than a guy walking on water, coming back from being dead and then performing other magic. At least when science comes to a conclusion about existence it is repeatable. He's not trying to come to any conclusions about god. Just trying to find the origins of this universe. The problem arises when religion feels threatened. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
November 25th, 2019 at 1:55:21 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You are correct, Jesus Christ is not theoretical but a real person who has changed history in an unimaginable way and He is unrepeatable.
I agree totally. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 25th, 2019 at 2:20:04 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | "As far as we can tell, the universe seems to be playing fair" NOVA is great programming. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
November 25th, 2019 at 2:39:16 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11786 |
Totally agree with you Love NOVA on PBS Zerohedge could never change my mind. I have no respect Nova can change my mind, lots of respect Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |