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September 3rd, 2024 at 9:12:21 PM permalink

GenoDRPh

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I am not sure how this disproves that Hamas is the elected gov of Gaza? I didn't even think this would be a controversial point.

It’s not disputed. The elected government of Gaza, Hamas, has a stated goal of the destruction of the state Israel. Terapined showing that many Israeli’s want the hostages back at any cost is not surprising. It’s not that they care about the murderous Palestinians, who just put bullets in the heads of 6 captive civilians. It’s just that they are thinking that they would do anything to get the remaining hostages home. They do not care of the long term consequences of not finishing the eradication of Hamas.
I can understand both sides.

I am surprised that Israel hasn’t agreed to disfavorable terms to get the hostages freed. And finding (or making up) some loophole later on if it feels necessary to re engage with Hamas.

If Hamas is eradicated, what next? Nature abhors a vacuum. Getting rid of Hamas will create a vacuum in Gaza, just like the vacuum that allowed Hamas to take power in the first place.

Don't get me wrong: The only persons fully responsible for killing the hostages is Hamas themselves, but I can't help but wonder if nobody truly wants to win the peace.

September 4th, 2024 at 3:21:24 AM permalink

SOOPOO

Member since: Feb 19, 2014
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Quote: GenoDRPh
Quote: SOOPOO
Quote: Gandler
Quote: terapined

I am not sure how this disproves that Hamas is the elected gov of Gaza? I didn't even think this would be a controversial point.

It’s not disputed. The elected government of Gaza, Hamas, has a stated goal of the destruction of the state Israel. Terapined showing that many Israeli’s want the hostages back at any cost is not surprising. It’s not that they care about the murderous Palestinians, who just put bullets in the heads of 6 captive civilians. It’s just that they are thinking that they would do anything to get the remaining hostages home. They do not care of the long term consequences of not finishing the eradication of Hamas.
I can understand both sides.

I am surprised that Israel hasn’t agreed to disfavorable terms to get the hostages freed. And finding (or making up) some loophole later on if it feels necessary to re engage with Hamas.

If Hamas is eradicated, what next? Nature abhors a vacuum. Getting rid of Hamas will create a vacuum in Gaza, just like the vacuum that allowed Hamas to take power in the first place.

Don't get me wrong: The only persons fully responsible for killing the hostages is Hamas themselves, but I can't help but wonder if nobody truly wants to win the peace.

Sadly, I agree with you. It’s hard to imagine that there will ever be Gazans that will want to live in peace with neighboring Israelis. I might have said that about Egypt in the 1960’s, and been proven wrong. Or Germany/USA or Japan/USA in the 1940’s.

But I truly find it hard to believe that the Muslim dominated states surrounding Israel will ever truly accept a Jewish dominated Israel.

September 5th, 2024 at 7:34:01 PM permalink

Gandler

Member since: Aug 15, 2019
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Quote: SOOPOO
Quote: Gandler
Quote: terapined

I am not sure how this disproves that Hamas is the elected gov of Gaza? I didn't even think this would be a controversial point.

It’s not disputed. The elected government of Gaza, Hamas, has a stated goal of the destruction of the state Israel. Terapined showing that many Israeli’s want the hostages back at any cost is not surprising. It’s not that they care about the murderous Palestinians, who just put bullets in the heads of 6 captive civilians. It’s just that they are thinking that they would do anything to get the remaining hostages home. They do not care of the long term consequences of not finishing the eradication of Hamas.
I can understand both sides.

I am surprised that Israel hasn’t agreed to disfavorable terms to get the hostages freed. And finding (or making up) some loophole later on if it feels necessary to re engage with Hamas.

I can understand both sides to a degree, but there will be no brining the remaining hostages home on Hamas terms. There will be liberation or death, that is just how it is. Hamas is desperate and will remove any remaining hostages before pulling from any land. I do not think you can save the remaining hostages while removing Hamas in totality, which is also what they want you to feel.

But, my reply was a statement I made about Hamas being the elected government of Gaza, and I am not sure how a reply of the Israeli prime minister in front a mushroom cloud contradicts this?

September 7th, 2024 at 10:08:40 AM permalink

Tanko

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Murdered

American activist shot dead by Israeli forces at West Bank protest, eyewitnesses say

“There were two volunteers sitting behind a dumpster and they fired one shot at the dumpster. It hit a metal plane. And then there was another shot and they shot – they shot her in the head.”

'Israeli activist Jonathan Pollak, who was taking part in Friday’s protest, said Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and live ammunition at the peaceful demonstration, forcing protesters to retreat. After a 20-minute lull, Pollak said he noticed an Israeli soldier aiming his rifle and heard shots.'

September 7th, 2024 at 10:23:31 AM permalink

terapined

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Quote: Tanko
Murdered

American activist shot dead by Israeli forces at West Bank protest, eyewitnesses say

“There were two volunteers sitting behind a dumpster and they fired one shot at the dumpster. It hit a metal plane. And then there was another shot and they shot – they shot her in the head.”

'Israeli activist Jonathan Pollak, who was taking part in Friday’s protest, said Israeli soldiers fired tear gas and live ammunition at the peaceful demonstration, forcing protesters to retreat. After a 20-minute lull, Pollak said he noticed an Israeli soldier aiming his rifle and heard shots.'

This is the problem in a nutshell
Palestinians gets killed
Crickets on multiple murders
A singular American gets killed, Tanko is on the other side of the planet and is outraged and posting about it

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"

September 17th, 2024 at 8:28:07 AM permalink

rxwine

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Lebanese health officials ordered the public Tuesday to avoid using handheld communication devices after members of the militant group Hezbollah's pagers reportedly exploded throughout the country.

Al-Manar, a Lebanese television station run by Iran-backed Hezbollah, said the devices “exploded in the hands of their holders in a number of Lebanese regions.”

"Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.

September 17th, 2024 at 9:50:15 AM permalink
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 5746	Quote: rxwine Not saying it is smart. Or even a reasonable way to proceed. But it is amazing that Israel could accomplish this.

September 17th, 2024 at 10:26:50 AM permalink
missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 160 Posts: 5493	Wow. Exploding pagers. Don't mess with the Israelis. exploding pagers maim and kill thousands

September 17th, 2024 at 11:04:10 AM permalink

DRich

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: rxwine

Lebanese health officials ordered the public Tuesday to avoid using handheld communication devices after members of the militant group Hezbollah's pagers reportedly exploded throughout the country.

Al-Manar, a Lebanese television station run by Iran-backed Hezbollah, said the devices “exploded in the hands of their holders in a number of Lebanese regions.”

Why didn't we do that in the 1990's? We could have eliminated a lot of drug dealers.

At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a deterrent.

September 17th, 2024 at 4:01:56 PM permalink
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22939	I imagine the price offered for bulk purchase of those pagers was "too good to be true" as the warning goes. I don't know if they were sold in a bulk purchase but it would be the easiest way to get it specifically to Hezbollah. "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP.

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