Israeli conflict

September 1st, 2024 at 4:43:40 PM permalink
Gandler
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The fine Palestinians executed 6 hostages by gunshot from close range in the last day or two. IDF forces have recovered the bodies. One was an American citizen. I wouldn’t want to be living in the area where Hamas operates. Which seems to be…. all of Gaza.


They are the elected government of Gaza after all.
September 1st, 2024 at 8:28:13 PM permalink
terapined
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The fine Palestinians executed 6 hostages by gunshot from close range in the last day or two. IDF forces have recovered the bodies. One was an American citizen. I wouldn’t want to be living in the area where Hamas operates. Which seems to be…. all of Gaza.

On the flip side, Israeli's in Isreal know its more complicated
Massive gigantic protests in Israel demanding the Govt negotiate instead conduct a war against primarily civilians
https://youtu.be/nMWrgJ2iBkY?si=FZ56AZdHRIod9aZY
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September 1st, 2024 at 11:10:03 PM permalink
terapined
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They are the elected government of Gaza after all.

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September 2nd, 2024 at 5:35:54 AM permalink
rxwine
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I think the hardliner right should follow one of their principles. They should have used the money we sent them to turn gaza into a total welfare state to destroy them. War is way more expensive. It worked with the native Americans here in this country once they were contained to small areas.
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September 2nd, 2024 at 6:28:29 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
I think the hardliner right should follow one of their principles. They should have used the money we sent them to turn gaza into a total welfare state to destroy them. War is way more expensive. It worked with the native Americans here in this country once they were contained to small areas.


Gaza has been a destroyed welfare state for 60 years or more.
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September 2nd, 2024 at 6:53:50 AM permalink
rxwine
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Gaza has been a destroyed welfare state for 60 years or more.


Not the way I'm thinking of. You need aid that can't be turned into weapons. Like building homes. sewars, roads.. Supplying free utilities and water. Free transportation around the city. Fresh food delivered person to person. Not large amounts that can be sold off. And probably other ways I haven't thought of.
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September 2nd, 2024 at 9:02:10 AM permalink
terapined
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September 2nd, 2024 at 9:26:08 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Not the way I'm thinking of. You need aid that can't be turned into weapons. Like building homes. sewars, roads.. Supplying free utilities and water. Free transportation around the city. Fresh food delivered person to person. Not large amounts that can be sold off. And probably other ways I haven't thought of.


Supply that and the Palestinians will destroy it all.
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September 2nd, 2024 at 1:20:25 PM permalink
Gandler
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I am not sure how this disproves that Hamas is the elected gov of Gaza? I didn't even think this would be a controversial point.
September 3rd, 2024 at 7:53:39 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Gandler
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I am not sure how this disproves that Hamas is the elected gov of Gaza? I didn't even think this would be a controversial point.


It’s not disputed. The elected government of Gaza, Hamas, has a stated goal of the destruction of the state Israel. Terapined showing that many Israeli’s want the hostages back at any cost is not surprising. It’s not that they care about the murderous Palestinians, who just put bullets in the heads of 6 captive civilians. It’s just that they are thinking that they would do anything to get the remaining hostages home. They do not care of the long term consequences of not finishing the eradication of Hamas.
I can understand both sides.

I am surprised that Israel hasn’t agreed to disfavorable terms to get the hostages freed. And finding (or making up) some loophole later on if it feels necessary to re engage with Hamas.