In the News II

Quote: AZDuffman

Because I do not believe endorsements count for much of anything. Most overhyped thing in politics perhaps. They might count for getting money from the power class. But does Joe Sixpack really care who endorsed who?

Trump invokes, rightly or wrongly, a whole host of negative feelings for many people. Trump endorsing poor candidates adds to their woes. Not only are their flaws exposed, they are also attacked for being pat of Team Trump. team Trump sells okay at one level, but it is not selling at other levels.

Quote: AZDuffman

By "winnable" candidate I am thinking you mean "establishment candidate" or someone who just has the R there and hope against hope that the other party screws up. That is not how you win. You win by pointing out a vote for the D is a vote to not be allowed to buy a gas stove. A vote to mandate your next car be an EV. A vote that your daughter has to get undressed with boys who say they are really girls.

No, I want candidates who are smart enough to be conservative yet appeal to people across the aisle. Firm positions on lots of things; flexibility on others where it makes sense. I want them to be their own person, not the Trumpbot. Seriously.

Sure you can point out all those things...and you can do it without playing the Trump game.

Trump could win the Presidency again and lose the House. He is uncontrolled and his antics after the election--not fighting for himself, if he thought it was unfair, but abandoning the actual job he still had at the same time--were unforgiveable. Not 1/6, that is a different conversation...his failure to be the President is the larger issue. No one was taking over the country, even if they tried. His antics helped get two Senators elected in Georgia who could have lost.

Quote: AZDuffman

Seriously, if the GOP cannot point this simple stuff out then they deserve to lose. But when they get a candidate who produces energy among the voters by pointing it all out the establishment tries to quash that candidate.

They do need to be on point and clear about their positions.

No matter, banning abortions is a losing issue and, if you take the hard line, you are likely to lose. Each candidate decides how to handle that.

Quote: AZDuffman

You win by pointing out a vote for the D is a vote to not be allowed to buy a gas stove.

This is pretty stupid, even when adjusting for Duffman standards.

But I guess Americans prefer the right to abortions more than gas stoves!

Quote: rxwine

Once endorsed by Trump, the person is a MAGA candidate. Then most lose.

They lose based on their own campaign. If they would point out how voting Democrat is voting for less personal freedom maybe they would win.

Quote: RonC

No, I want candidates who are smart enough to be conservative yet appeal to people across the aisle. Firm positions on lots of things; flexibility on others where it makes sense. I want them to be their own person, not the Trumpbot. Seriously.

Like we tried with McCain?

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Sure you can point out all those things...and you can do it without playing the Trump game.

Like Bush43 did? Let them keep attacking until you lose all support?

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Trump could win the Presidency again and lose the House. He is uncontrolled and his antics after the election--not fighting for himself, if he thought it was unfair, but abandoning the actual job he still had at the same time--were unforgiveable. Not 1/6, that is a different conversation...his failure to be the President is the larger issue. No one was taking over the country, even if they tried. His antics helped get two Senators elected in Georgia who could have lost.

The GA candidates should have won without having a runoff. Again, it was them, not Trump.

It matters little, we are in the last days. The USA is done within 50 years. We have become a servant to our own empire and at the same time the internal divisions are at a breaking point. Now, all large nation hit such breaking points. How violent it gets will be what matters. Historically, the political right wins civil wars more than not, so someone will get to see that. However, after 2070 problems for the world hit. The world of 2100 will have perhaps 6 billion fewer people than the world of 2070. IOW, it will be a struggle for survival of humanity that the grandkids of the child being born as you read this will get to see, if they are born at all.

Quote: AZDuffman

Like we tried with McCain?

McCain lost to a uniquely skilled orator.

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Like Bush43 did? Let them keep attacking until you lose all support?

He won reelection, didn't he? How'd Trump do in 2020? Not the company line, but how did he actually do?

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Quote: AZDuffman

...The GA candidates should have won without having a runoff. Again, it was them, not Trump.

So in your mind Trump's antics, allegations, and outbursts turned no one at all off in Georgia in 2020?

I don't get the whole "Trump has no impact" deal. If he isn't helping candidates, he is hurting them. He does not bring a whole lot of in between with him. His childish name calling is just a part of it. He can't articulate why someone is wrong without calling them a name.

So first grade.

Quote: Mission146

McCain lost to a uniquely skilled orator.

McCain was a jobber. The Steve Lombardi of POTUS elections. Obama said McCain did not believe in women being paid the same as men and McCain just stood there. McCain thought the media liked him and would help him. They abandoned him as soon as he got the nomination. The only chance he had was when he put Palin on as VP but he did not even stand up for her. If all that is not bad enough, he just whined when Trump dared to hit back on his attacks on him.

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He won reelection, didn't he? How'd Trump do in 2020? Not the company line, but how did he actually do?

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It was not the re-election. It was the years after of losing support because he did not defend himself. For example, the media whined about it taking three days to get help in after Katrina. Did he mention all that logistics in three days is actually impressive? Nope. He just ignored it.

Trump did well enough that every stop had to be pulled out to stop his reelection. From making a virus political to asking about white supremacy for no reason at a debate. And it was still a photo finish.

Joe Manchin not running for reelection.

The writing is on the wall: he was gonna lose anyway.

Quote: AZDuffman

...The GA candidates should have won without having a runoff. Again, it was them, not Trump.

So in your mind Trump's antics, allegations, and outbursts turned no one at all off in Georgia in 2020?

I don't get the whole "Trump has no impact" deal. If he isn't helping candidates, he is hurting them. He does not bring a whole lot of in between with him. His childish name calling is just a part of it. He can't articulate why someone is wrong without calling them a name.

So first grade.

Quote: RonC

So in your mind Trump's antics, allegations, and outbursts turned no one at all off in Georgia in 2020?

I don't get the whole "Trump has no impact" deal. If he isn't helping candidates, he is hurting them. He does not bring a whole lot of in between with him. His childish name calling is just a part of it. He can't articulate why someone is wrong without calling them a name.

So first grade.

Well, sounds like you are saying he behaves like the average liberal when it comes to name calling.

Can't articulate a position, call the other side "racist." Insinuate they are a KKK member. The left does this all the time.

What Trump has done is decide if they want to play that game he will play it with them.