The City on Fire

Quote: Mission146

I stand by my statement you quoted.

Even the Chinese only occasionally shoot the Hong Kong protestors who are throwing things.

Quote: Gandler

You do realize police are drugs tested and polygrpahed (so they can't lie about former drug use)? ....

Steroid Use? I guess? I am not sure that is a massive problem....

Hit Squads is a pretty divisive term, doing high risk warrants is part of their job....

I am not sure what you link about SWAT support specialist job description is trying to prove? That they take careful accounting of monthy stats and inventory?

If they did stick to SWAT duty's it would be better. But hard to justify the amount of money spent on these Hit squads if they don't do other duty's , like no knock raids, and serving warrants.

These guys need to be drug tested and tested for steroid use regularly.

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You do realize police are drugs tested and polygrpahed (so they can't lie about former drug use)? ....

Pre hire only I believe. Do you think they have random drug tests like truck drivers?

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Steroid Use? I guess? I am not sure that is a massive problem....

You've heard of "roid rage", Who do you think takes these kinds of jobs? It isn't Barney Fife.

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Hit Squads is a pretty divisive term, doing high risk warrants is part of their job....

High risk warrants is their job? I thought that that SWAT stood for Special Weapons and tactics? If all they do is serve warrants, I'm saying regular cops can do that. And as far as sniping someone who needs shooting at a hundred yards, most Sheriffs are quite capable of doing that if necessary. We aren't going to spin this to the point where I am anti police, that wouldn't be accurate. But there are 50 thousand SWAT members, and most of the no knock warrants and therefore most of the wrong address and slayings are committed by swat. I think our police force has become to militaristic. I choose not to pay for a bunch of meatheads that dress up like spec ops guys and enjoy intimidating regular folk, because tthey can. Regular cops are macho enough around here. In Montana the minimum height for a state trooper was 6'2", unless it's changed. Put that tall mounty hat on them, and that's intimidating enough.

If we need something more lethal than our regular sheriffs around here, it's not far to fly in the FBI or one of the many other fed cops. If you want the police to dress and act like the enemy of the people in a 1984 kind of way, that is how the regular folk will perceive them, ala current duress.

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I am not sure what you link about SWAT support specialist job description is trying to prove? That they take careful accounting of monthy stats and inventory?

you said "SWAT teams are there to responde to extreme emergencies (hostage rescue, armed takeovers, etc...) they do not patrol the street."

I posted a job description bid for a swat member. They serve warrants, and even have served divorce papers, They aren't all protect the public against madmen, like original swat teams were intended. Like I said, if SWAT were only specialized militant guys that bust down doors and go after lethal enemy's of the public, they would be more legitimate. The country doesn't need 50 thousand SWAT members standing by, ready to breach doors, shoot the dog first and then often the occupant. I don't think near as many no knock warrants are necessary as are now being issued. Why do they need no knock warrants? For what, a bag of weed? Most times, just waiting outside and catching the suspects would serve the public much better and safer than busting down doors at 3 am.

Quote: petroglyph

If they did stick to SWAT duty's it would be better. But hard to justify the amount of money spent on these Hit squads if they don't do other duty's , like no knock raids, and serving warrants.

These guys need to be drug tested and tested for steroid use regularly.


Pre hire only I believe. Do you think they have random drug tests like truck drivers?

You've heard of "roid rage", Who do you think takes these kinds of jobs? It isn't Barney Fife.

High risk warrants is their job? I thought that that SWAT stood for Special Weapons and tactics? If all they do is serve warrants, I'm saying regular cops can do that. And as far as sniping someone who needs shooting at a hundred yards, most Sheriffs are quite capable of doing that if necessary. We aren't going to spin this to the point where I am anti police, that wouldn't be accurate. But there are 50 thousand SWAT members, and most of the no knock warrants and therefore most of the wrong address and slayings are committed by swat. I think our police force has become to militaristic. I choose not to pay for a bunch of meatheads that dress up like spec ops guys and enjoy intimidating regular folk, because tthey can. Regular cops are macho enough around here. In Montana the minimum height for a state trooper was 6'2", unless it's changed. Put that tall mounty hat on them, and that's intimidating enough.

If we need something more lethal than our regular sheriffs around here, it's not far to fly in the FBI or one of the many other fed cops. If you want the police to dress and act like the enemy of the people in a 1984 kind of way, that is how the regular folk will perceive them, ala current duress.

you said "SWAT teams are there to responde to extreme emergencies (hostage rescue, armed takeovers, etc...) they do not patrol the street."

I posted a job description bid for a swat member. They serve warrants, and even have served divorce papers, They aren't all protect the public against madmen, like original swat teams were intended. Like I said, if SWAT were only specialized militant guys that bust down doors and go after lethal enemy's of the public, they would be more legitimate. The country doesn't need 50 thousand SWAT members standing by, ready to breach doors, shoot the dog first and then often the occupant. I don't think near as many no knock warrants are necessary as are now being issued. Why do they need no knock warrants? For what, a bag of weed? Most times, just waiting outside and catching the suspects would serve the public much better and safer than busting down doors at 3 am.

That is not a job description for a SWAT team member. That is a civilian support member. Basically office admin/quartermaster type position...

That is why it talks about ordering and setting budget....

The SWAT Support Specialist is a civilian member of the Police
Department. Supervision is received from a Police Sergeant assigned to SWAT. This class may be
subject to emergency and/or scheduled call-out. This class is FLSA nonexempt.

Quote: rxwine

Even the Chinese only occasionally shoot the Hong Kong protestors who are throwing things.

I agree, we need to bring them over here for further training so that they are as accurate and opportunistic as we are.

The thugs just burned down the Wendy's where the taser stealing criminal was shot. Because, you know, the peaceful movement must have been infiltrated....

I have heard people on the left now start saying looting is ok, as it was done during original Boston Tea Party.

Maxine Waters says the 'real looting' is done by banks that won't give out loans to build businesses in the areas.... that are prone to looting!

Quote: SOOPOO

The thugs just burned down the Wendy's where the taser stealing criminal was shot.

The horror!

Now if someone nearby wants to eat at Wendy’s they’ll have to drive a few minutes away to eat at one that didn’t burn down.

Quote: ams288

The horror!

Now if someone nearby wants to eat at Wendy’s they’ll have to drive a few minutes away to eat at one that didn’t burn down.

So you don't care about the people who did nothing wrong and just lost their jobs because thugs infiltrated what could have been a peaceful protest?

Do you excuse the deceased for making the stupid decision to steal a potentially lethal weapon (at a minimum, one that could be used to overtake the officer and take a truly deadly weapon), run away, and point the weapon back at the officer in pursuit? At the very minimum, he escalated a situation that was a routine arrest into a deadly force issue. Yes, he was shot in the back, but we haven't even had an investigation or a charge for what is a case totally different than the one of George Floyd.

Quote: RonC

So you don't care about the people who did nothing wrong and just lost their jobs because thugs infiltrated what could have been a peaceful protest?

Do you excuse the deceased for making the stupid decision to steal a potentially lethal weapon (at a minimum, one that could be used to overtake the officer and take a truly deadly weapon), run away, and point the weapon back at the officer in pursuit? At the very minimum, he escalated a situation that was a routine arrest into a deadly force issue. Yes, he was shot in the back, but we haven't even had an investigation or a charge for what is a case totally different than the one of George Floyd.

I’ll be honest here: I don’t care about any of this. I haven’t followed the story. Ignored the long rambling posts in this thread about it. Haven’t watched the footage.

I just find it very amusing how much some people seem to care about one burned down Wendy’s. Does it really have any effect on your life?

Quote: ams288

I’ll be honest here: I don’t care about any of this. I haven’t followed the story. Ignored the long rambling posts in this thread about it. Haven’t watched the footage.

I just find it very amusing how much some people seem to care about one burned down Wendy’s. Does it really have any effect on your life?

I am amazed at how many people don't care about others destroying property and, in some cases, attacking people, in the name of justice for someone.

Just because something does not have a direct impact on my day to day life does not mean I should not concerned about lawlessness in our cities.

Lots of things happen that don't have a direct impact on my life. Does that mean I just should not care about them?

Quote: RonC

Lots of things happen that don't have a direct impact on my life. Does that mean I just should not care about them?

Yes.