The Coronavirus thread

Quote: Pacomartin

In US
Death rate was 723.6 per 100,000 from all causes in 2018
Death rate was 103.5 per 100,000 from COVID in 2020
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In Mexico
Death rate was 601.0 per 100,000 from all causes in 2018
Death rate was 94.8 per 100,000 from COVID in 2020

Misdiagnosis undoubtedly occurs. They CDC records a broad range of possible number of deaths from flu every year to account for misdiagnosis.

It is impossible for the misdiagnosis for COVID to be really wide spread or the total number of deaths would be way off.

If anything, the excess death rate indicates that we may be undercounting.

Quote: Pacomartin

Misdiagnosis undoubtedly occurs. They CDC records a broad range of possible number of deaths from flu every year to account for misdiagnosis.

It is impossible for the misdiagnosis for COVID to be really wide spread or the total number of deaths would be way off.

If anything, the excess death rate indicates that we may be undercounting.

(Not a lawyer) but I think most legal actions look for a relationship to the cause when they decide whether someone or something is related to injury.

If you can establish that relationship that person or thing is successfully sued.

Let's say, someone's kid ran in front of a vehicle when the Nashville bomber's bomb went off because he was frightened. The bomb didn't directly kill him. I think the lawyers would pursue that injury or death as related to the bomber's estate, if any.

I don't think it's a stretch at all if you can establish such a relationship. If someone can't get a cardiac cath to open an artery because the hospital is overrun with Covid patients, Covid certainly played a part in that death. Though I don't know that you can sue anyone for it.

Anyway, saying such things aren't related takes even more blindness to the facts than the other way around, IMO.

For that matter. I bet dying in the waiting room because of not being seen because of covid patients isn't counted as a covid death.

Quote: Pacomartin

Misdiagnosis undoubtedly occurs. They CDC records a broad range of possible number of deaths from flu every year to account for misdiagnosis.

It is impossible for the misdiagnosis for COVID to be really wide spread or the total number of deaths would be way off.

If anything, the excess death rate indicates that we may be undercounting.

Agree, but I’m not sure if that was SOOPOO’s point.

My 96 year old grandfather in law just passed from COVID. In addition to his age, he was very unhealthy and in addition to age had nearly every risk factor possible.

We were expecting him to pass anytime in the next year from any of his numerous ailments, but COVID got him first.

I think what SOOPOO meant is not that these COVID deaths are misdiagnosed, but that many of the people who die from it were likely to die of some other cause in the next few years.

How many covid patients come into the hospital complaining of chest pain and shortness of breath? Could be heart, could be lungs and infection.

Well the census bureau makes a projection on increasing number of deaths as the population gets older. We expect an extra 28,000 deaths this year over last year simply by getting older. There still should be able to calculate excess deaths to a resonable degree to see how bad COVID affected everyone. If we hite 3,100,000 deaths this year, we are ten years early.

Year Deaths Projected (,000)
2018 2,696
2019 2,724
2020 2,752
2021 2,781
2022 2,811
2023 2,844
2024 2,878
2025 2,915
2026 2,954
2027 2,996
2028 3,040
2029 3,086
2030 3,134

Quote: gamerfreak

I think what SOOPOO meant is not that these COVID deaths are misdiagnosed, but that many of the people who die from it were likely to die of some other cause in the next few years.

There are two different topics here. One is deliberate misdiagnosis to increase funding. The second is will this disease affect long term population. I agree the answer to the second question is definately not. In most cases the disease is not taking people who would reproduce. So we may still have 3,100,000 deaths iin the year 2030 even if we reach that number in 2020.

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I don't know if you have seen this chart below that shows world population growth and how it was affected by the Chinese Great Famine event of the late 1950's and early 1960's. That was a truly horrible event that rivalled WWII in killing people of the age when they would give birth, children, as well as whole families. Northing in the past 70 years has affected population growth rate like that famine (not even AIDS).

In the US COVID deaths (354,215) will surpass US WWII deaths (407,300 military + 12,100 civilian) at some point, probably by February 2021.

Quote: Pacomartin

In the US COVID deaths (354,215) will surpass US WWII deaths (407,300 military + 12,100 civilian) at some point, probably by February 2021.

Meh. 99% of the deaths in WWII were NOT Americans. Americans would not be able to handle if we had a death rate from something big like other nations have had.

Quote: AZDuffman

Meh. 99% of the deaths in WWII were NOT Americans. Americans would not be able to handle if we had a death rate from something big like other nations have had.

You mean like from COVID-19 where we are number 1 both per capita and by raw number deaths?