The Coronavirus thread

Quote: AZDuffman

Working in an operating room equates to going to the grocery store how exactly?

Keep polishing your chains.

Thought you guys were done with political threads? And don't get it twisted, this IS a political thread.

Quote: AZDuffman

Working in an operating room equates to going to the grocery store how exactly?

Never said it did. We're talking about the efficacy of masks. Try to keep up.

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Keep polishing your chains.

Said the guy who's been brainwashed by Conservative media... LOL...

Quote: Tripdufan

Thought you guys were done with political threads? And don't get it twisted, this IS a political thread.

Covid was a public health issue, but Conservatives wanted to make it about politics, so here we are.

Quote: HotDog

Covid was a public health issue, but Conservatives wanted to make it about politics, so here we are.

Saying one party was solely reponsible for making COVID a political issue is ....... an intellectually challenged position.

Notice that i questioned the position, and not the person.

Quote: Pacomartin

Saying one party was solely reponsible for making COVID a political issue is ....... an intellectually challenged position.

Notice that i questioned the position, and not the person.

One party didn't support the general scientific community. That is not controversial in my opinion. There were too many people on the Republican side willing to follow outliers and crackpots.

I never heard any of our main democratic leaders contradict our main medical or scientific community on the pandemic. They may have gotten some things wrong but they generally based advice on the medical and scientific community.

You can complain that shutting down a bar or limiting a gathering in a restaurant had bad economic consequences, but it was perfectly sound medical advice in controlling the spread of the virus.

Quote: rxwine

One party didn't support the general scientific community. That is not controversial in my opinion. There were too many people on the Republican side willing to follow outliers and crackpots.

I never heard any of our main democratic leaders contradict our main medical or scientific community on the pandemic. They may have gotten some things wrong but they generally based advice on the medical and scientific community.

You can complain that shutting down a bar or limiting a gathering in a restaurant had bad economic consequences, but it was perfectly sound medical advice in controlling the spread of the virus.

Everything you said is true. But the State (I use Cuomo as my example, as I live in NY) leaders faked using the science. The science WAS used in Wuhan, as an example, where a REAL lockdown occurred. Not the FAKE one that NYS did. Liquor stores. Dry cleaners. Stock brokers. Politicians! Etc..... so the visible hypocrisy... gotta go!

Quote: SOOPOO

Everything you said is true. But the State (I use Cuomo as my example, as I live in NY) leaders faked using the science. The science WAS used in Wuhan, as an example, where a REAL lockdown occurred. Not the FAKE one that NYS did. Liquor stores. Dry cleaners. Stock brokers. Politicians! Etc..... so the visible hypocrisy... gotta go!

I agree with this.

I want to make clear that I absolutely DO NOT support complete lockdowns, but if you're going to do a lockdown, you've got to do it. Work-related travel only, mobilize the National Guard to work with food distributors and grocery stores for food delivery and delivery of pharmaceuticals. Do this for probably 2-3 months.

Or, we could have basically done what we had been doing the earlier part of the year, but for several more months.

Healthcare workers would also have to have zero contact with anyone aside from patients and other healthcare workers, so they'd basically be sheltering in place at the hospitals...or have college dorms & hotels set aside for them with mass bus transportation from one place to another.

Again, I don't support any of that, but if your ONLY objective is to mitigate the spread of the virus and try to isolate cases into oblivion, that's how you'd do it.

Now we know how China can keep their Covid figures so low. They just sentenced a reporter to 4 years. Her crime was reporting on Covid at Wuhan.

Quote: kenarman

Now we know how China can keep their Covid figures so low. They just sentenced a reporter to 4 years. Her crime was reporting on Covid at Wuhan.

Exactly, If we started doing that think how much lower our numbers would be. Let's do it.

Quote: DRich

Exactly, If we started doing that think how much lower our numbers would be. Let's do it.

US Deaths in 2020 by COVID: 343,689

US Deaths in 2018
Heart disease: 655,381
Cancer: 599,274
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 167,127
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 159,486
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 147,810
Alzheimer’s disease: 122,019
Diabetes: 84,946
Influenza and pneumonia: 59,120
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,386
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 48,344

Death rate was 723.6 per 100,000 in 2018
Death rate was 103.5 per 100,000 from COVID in 2020

That's a lot of deaths to sweep under the rug.

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In Mexico
Death rate was 601.0 per 100,000 in 2018
Death rate was 94.8 per 100,000 from COVID in 2020

Although Mexicans die prematurely or from preventable causes more often than Americans, the death rate is still lower simply because they are younger.
Since they have a net outflow of immigrants, their population of 128 million will probably never break 160 million whereas our population of 330.76 million has no predictable upper bound.

COVID deaths in US
5,277 Mar
60,738 Apr
41,703 May
20,112 Jun
26,446 Jul
29,532 Aug
23,418 Sep
23,974 Oct
36,964 Nov
66,671 Dec (part month)

It looks like December is worse than last April