The Coronavirus thread

Quote: Mission146

In any case, more testing = lower reported mortality rate.

No.

The mortality rate is the number of deaths per million population. Not deaths per number of cases.

Quote: Tanko

No.

The mortality rate is the number of deaths per million population. Not deaths per number of cases.

Well, mortality rate wouldn’t be my focus, then. My focus would be more on the percentage of those infected who die, which naturally goes down with more testing. Again, whoever is going to die is going to die.

Quote: Mission146

Well, mortality rate wouldn’t be my focus, then. My focus would be more on the percentage of those infected who die, which naturally goes down with more testing. Again, whoever is going to die is going to die.

To wit, Trump has already way downplayed the virus...can’t have that one back. So, you want to make downplaying it seem as justifiable as possible.

Quote: Mission146

Well, mortality rate wouldn’t be my focus, then.

Of course it wouldn't. Especially after you said "I think lower mortality rate is the better face-saving talking point,..."

Quote: Tanko

Many Blacks and Latinos are at a higher risk, because they are essential workers who cannot work from home. While others are able to remain isolated, and work at home, Blacks and Latinos, working front line jobs, have to commute to and from work each day.

Also possible. But IMHO nobody wants to look at potential genetics for fear of exposing that different races might have different traits.

Quote: rxwine

I don't think Ron really pays attention to how much phony baloney Trump spouts, based on how he defends him.

So asking someone not to use information that was proven false is now called defending him? Even when I acknowledge he has done things wrong during the pandemic? Very stupid comment.

He should have come out stronger on masks, though I believe a mandate or order is outside the scope of Federal powers. If States want to use their power to do that, I am fine with it. Not wearing a mask is stupid for the most part. Thinking only the people who say they don't want to wear one are the only violaters...or that all the people who don't wear masks are even listening to Trump...is also stupid.

That is one example.

Quote: Tanko

Of course it wouldn't. Especially after you said "I think lower mortality rate is the better face-saving talking point,..."

Yes, I was incorrect as to what was meant by the term. I believe I acknowledged my error.

Quote: Tanko

No.

The mortality rate is the number of deaths per million population. Not deaths per number of cases.

There is a lot of variation in Deaths per Cases, as well as Deaths per 100K population


List of the causes of human deaths worldwide per 100K
233.1 Cardiovascular diseases
143.8 Communicable, maternal, neonatal, and nutritional disorders (3rd world)
121.2 Neoplasms or Cancers
80.5 Stroke
57.9 Injuries
51.4 Chronic respiratory diseases

"Two data sets from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published Tuesday — one in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine and another on the agency’s website, based on follow-up data — say true COVID-19 rates are more than 10 times higher than reported cases in some U.S. regions."

"Even in hard hit areas like New York City, the majority of people have not yet been infected with the virus,” she said. With the second set of data, the CDC estimates that 23 percent of the city’s population have antibodies."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-antibody-tests-show-virus-rates-10-times-higher-reported-n1234480

The earlier tests reported this was a possibility; this set of test seems to confirm that as many as 1.895 million NYC residents may have had the virus. This would lower the real (and still tragic) death rate there to 1.2% (from over 10%). It also might explain while 'flattening the curve" did not work as well as it was thought it would--and the high number of infections now--because many more people than originally thought still had the virus going into the re-openings. It also explains why so many people got infected in NYC even as the lock down was in place.

Though the say the antibodies may not last as long as some, there are other things that happen that could make infected folks less likely to get the virus again. That still needs a lot of study, of course. The other thing is that, if antibodies only last a certain amount of time, this study may even be predicting something lower than the actual number of possible infections.

"“Infection with this coronavirus does not necessarily generate lifetime immunity,” but antibodies are only part of the story, said Dr. Buddy Creech, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University. He had no role in the work, published Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The immune system remembers how to make fresh antibodies if needed and other parts of it also can mount an attack, he said."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-immunity-virus-antibodies-may-fade-fast-protection-may-n1234498?icid=related

We may be getting a little help "spiking" here in Texas...

"The numbers are truly extraordinary. On Sunday, 42% of all deaths reported in Texas were in border counties, even though those counties account for just 9% of the state's population and are generally much less dense than the counties closer to the major population centers. The positivity rate of testing is almost twice as high in Hidalgo County (border) as in Harris County (Houston). Since June 1, Hidalgo County's cases have grown by 1,800%, while Harris County's cases have grown by 346%."

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michael-berry/content/2020-07-22-texas-border-hospitals-see-huge-influx-of-patients-from-mexico-report/?fbclid=IwAR2RhsJcRpNZ_6dUAai_kS50BPeNyVPFcJj0uTNqRfDYcoH-IJ9NqGzqA5w