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May 18th, 2020 at 6:53:38 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Tanko
If you're over fifty, you did live though one. The Hong Kong flu killed one to four million people between 1968 and 1970.
I was 10 to 12 years old. Don't remember it. Lived in Baltimore. As kids, we rode our bikes all over the place going many miles from home. Total freedom. The only time we were told not to go out was when MLK shot. That's about it. If there was a virus, we could care less. I don't know anybody that died or got deathly sick.
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May 18th, 2020 at 7:19:27 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Tanko
If you're over fifty, you did live though one. The Hong Kong flu killed one to four million people between 1968 and 1970.


I was only two years old so I don't remember it.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
May 18th, 2020 at 7:27:50 AM permalink
kenarman
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I remember the name Hong Kong Flu but no details at all. I was in University then and don't think much out of the ordinary happened since I have no memories of my life being disrupted.
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May 18th, 2020 at 7:33:10 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: terapined
I was 10 to 12 years old. Don't remember it. Lived in Baltimore. As kids, we rode our bikes all over the place going many miles from home. Total freedom. The only time we were told not to go out was when MLK shot. That's about it. If there was a virus, we could care less. I don't know anybody that died or got deathly sick.


No remembrance of it at all. As a kid I do not think my life was affected at all. Through all the recent virus scares, SARS, MERS, H1-N1, bad flu season, etc..., I as a front line doctor just probably intubated a bunch of patients who would eventually die, but never really thought much of it. Never would affect me as much as the 23 year old trauma patient, the 30 year old lung cancer patient, etc.
As I've said, the difference here will not be the number of total dead, but rather the number dead in such a short period of time, and its overwhelming the health care system, the supply chain for PPE, the need for ventilators..... And of course the economy destroying decisions made by those in power. And the "let's just print another 10 trillion dollars" response as well.

Open it up. Yes, more will die. I may be one of them. Let ME decide on the risk I am willing to take.
May 18th, 2020 at 7:53:38 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: SOOPOO


Open it up. Yes, more will die. I may be one of them. Let ME decide on the risk I am willing to take.


Have your restaurants started re-opening? In Las vegas now that golf and restaurants are open my life is almost back to normal. I am still not working so my days are rather dull, other than that things seem fine for me.
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May 18th, 2020 at 9:38:12 AM permalink
Tanko
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Quote: DRich
I was only two years old so I don't remember it.


After that, it was the Swine flu pandemic in 2009. Viruses mutate notoriously. The pandemic era that began in 1918 has continued for the past 100 years. The Hong Kong flu, and Swine flu, are descended from the Spanish flu. Those viruses still persist. Be thankful for vaccines.
May 18th, 2020 at 9:57:15 AM permalink
RonC
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I had to go file some VA disability info with the Tax office here. Basically, they offer an additional property tax exemption based on the percentage of disability that one is rated with the VA. Anyway, this was my first time being "screened" before entry into a building. They checked my temperature, asked several screening questions, and then opened the door for me and had hand soap to use before seeing a clerk.

The clerks were behind plexiglass and wore masks and gloves.

There was only one other customer there; they are doing informal tax assessment protests by email and other online means. Normally this time of year, people would be waiting in line to protest their unfair tax assessments. More seem upset over this year's assessments than the one last year, but there is no visual sign of that...just online stuff.

We have a horrid system where the assessor is not tied to the taxing agencies; that means everyone can say it is the other group's fault and do nothing. Not enough accountability for the assessment process.
May 18th, 2020 at 11:05:16 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: RonC
I had to go file some VA disability info with the Tax office here. Basically, they offer an additional property tax exemption based on the percentage of disability that one is rated with the VA. Anyway, this was my first time being "screened" before entry into a building. They checked my temperature, asked several screening questions, and then opened the door for me and had hand soap to use before seeing a clerk.

The clerks were behind plexiglass and wore masks and gloves.

There was only one other customer there; they are doing informal tax assessment protests by email and other online means. Normally this time of year, people would be waiting in line to protest their unfair tax assessments. More seem upset over this year's assessments than the one last year, but there is no visual sign of that...just online stuff.

We have a horrid system where the assessor is not tied to the taxing agencies; that means everyone can say it is the other group's fault and do nothing. Not enough accountability for the assessment process.


Some things aren't going be the same for awhile, because there is no easy solution. My radio was tuned to the Limbaugh show while I did a errand, and he mentioned live orchestras. Strings might play with masks, but all the wind instruments can't play with masks. The spacing also will alter the sound if not the limitations of some stages for spacing.

It might be okay a year from now, but not now.

Hey, but at least it's not the middle ages, (Or even the 19th century) People didn't always know where the disease was coming from. Social distancing doesn't work if it's from rat droppings or water contamination.
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May 18th, 2020 at 11:12:46 AM permalink
kewlj
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Quote: RonC
Anyway, this was my first time being "screened" before entry into a building. They checked my temperature, asked several screening questions, and then opened the door for me and had hand soap to use before seeing a clerk.


Supposedly some of the casinos here in Las Vegas will be using temperature screenings of patrons at the door. A couple things about this seem problematic to me.

1.) The number we use as "normal" temperature is an average. Some people's "normal" is lower (can be as low as 97 degree) and some people's "normal" is higher. So someone who's "normal is 97 has a temperature a full 2 degrees above their normal because they have a fever will register at 99, which is deemed "safe" and be admitted, when they could very well be sick and contagious.

2.) What about heat outside. Las Vegas is 110 in the summer. And many people are outside walking on the strip and downtown as opposed to jumping out of an air conditioned car and taking a few steps into the casino. I am not real knowledgeable about how it works, but the human body has methods for controlling heat, like sweating. However this don't work great or properly with some people, like older people and people with different medical issues. I am guessing some of these people out walking the strip in the Vegas heat and showing up at a casino entrance, may register a temp of 100.4 and be denied entrance.

In short I think this temperature scan things is a hoax. Just designed to make people feel good that something is being done, but in practical terms, pretty worthless.
May 18th, 2020 at 11:31:31 AM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: kewlj
Supposedly some of the casinos here in Las Vegas will be using temperature screenings of patrons at the door. A couple things about this seem problematic to me.

1.) The number we use as "normal" temperature is an average. Some people's "normal" is lower (can be as low as 97 degree) and some people's "normal" is higher. So someone who's "normal is 97 has a temperature a full 2 degrees above their normal because they have a fever will register at 99, which is deemed "safe" and be admitted, when they could very well be sick and contagious.

2.) What about heat outside. Las Vegas is 110 in the summer. And many people are outside walking on the strip and downtown as opposed to jumping out of an air conditioned car and taking a few steps into the casino. I am not real knowledgeable about how it works, but the human body has methods for controlling heat, like sweating. However this don't work great or properly with some people, like older people and people with different medical issues. I am guessing some of these people out walking the strip in the Vegas heat and showing up at a casino entrance, may register a temp of 100.4 and be denied entrance.

In short I think this temperature scan things is a hoax. Just designed to make people feel good that something is being done, but in practical terms, pretty worthless.


I suppose they could ask people to take a cool-off period and have their temp retaken, but I'd have to assume that would create massive delays.
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