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April 1st, 2020 at 7:16:02 AM permalink
Tanko
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Coronavirus death rate much lower than previously reported, Study says.
April 1st, 2020 at 7:48:51 AM permalink
RonC
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The "normal" daily death rate in NYC, based on a death every 9.1 minutes, is about 158.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/planning-level/nyc-population/population-facts.page
China Lied...How Many There Really Died?
April 1st, 2020 at 9:05:00 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Fleastiff
CHEAP, SIMPLE EMERGENCY VENTILATOR FOR FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

You have all heard the "Bag Him" command on TV medical shows.

It means grab one of the readily available rubbery bags that abound in ambulances and hospitals and stand there sqeezing it intermittently so as to be blowing a breath of air into him until such time as a much more sophisticated electronic device can be attached to him which will take over his respiratory functions as well as providing battery back-up capabilities.

The obvious drawback is that ties up an individual and it tires his arm.

MIT came up with a device that mechanically sqeezes that bag for over two weeks.


As opposed to doing nothing, squeezing the bag works. After I intubate someone, I'll squeeze that bag for a few minutes while the respiratory therapist sets up the ventilator according to the settings I order. There are many nuances to the orders that determine rate, pressure, oxygen content, PEEP, can the patient take this own breath etc... that squeezing a bag just can't copy.

All the specific settings is why "ventilator splitting" is extremely sub-optimal.
April 1st, 2020 at 9:55:41 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: SOOPOO
As opposed to doing nothing, squeezing the bag works.
All this talk of $11,000 to $16,000 for additional machinery and talk of manufacturing delays seems to be the main selling point for the $500.00 device.
April 1st, 2020 at 10:41:47 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: terapined
This is why the local mega church in Tampa where I live held services a couple days ago. They bought into downplaying the virus. History will not look kindly on right wing news. Its all on computer memory to forever be accessed. This event is so huge, the response of the media and govt will be examined and studied for generation after generation.

Regarding the miracle drug the right wingers on this board are pushing. 1st off, I want this drug to work.
But
It aint making a dent in the death rate. Actually sucks but thats reality. How do you tell the drug is effective, say somebody gets better, is it the drug, or the body itself, or psychological? What is the rate of effectiveness vs not effective? Side effects?
Just hearing anecdotal stories. Is there anything out there with specefic details on mutiple patients?



Hopefully they get arrested, many churches are getting raided which is a good thing. Some churches think they are exempt from regulations....
April 1st, 2020 at 11:11:31 AM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: terapined
The same generalization I read in other places. No real hard details. Looking for something worthy of being in the new England journal of medicine. Not looking for a newspaper interview which is what you posted
My mistake apparently? I took you literally when you posted, "Is there anything out there with specefic details on mutiple patients? Obviously again, you did not read the link or check the Dr's credentials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult "He was "classified among the ten leading French researchers by the journal Nature, for the number of his publications (a credit of more than two thousand) and for his citations number", in 2008, as reported by a daily economic newspaper covering his work.[14]

According to the Thomson Reuters source "Highly Cited Researchers List", Raoult is among the most influential researchers in his field and his publications are among the 1% most consulted in academic journals. He is one of the 99 most cited microbiologists in the world and one of the 73 most highly cited French scientis"
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April 1st, 2020 at 11:44:47 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Gandler
Hopefully they get arrested, many churches are getting raided which is a good thing. Some churches think they are exempt from regulations....


Does anyone know if the Indian Reservations are legally (not morally, practically, or ethically) required to follow our Governor's executive orders?
April 1st, 2020 at 11:54:35 AM permalink
RonC
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"The officers advised the partygoers that they had to disperse from the area due to the state order to curb the spread of COVID-19.

Several partygoers became irate prompting officers to request additional assistance."

https://sdgln.com/newshealth-wellness-sports/2020/03/31/officers-disperse-birthday-party-crowd-amid-covid-19-pandemic

It isn't just churches violating the social distancing policies. the stupidity is happening among many segments of our society.
China Lied...How Many There Really Died?
April 1st, 2020 at 11:57:56 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: SOOPOO
Does anyone know if the Indian Reservations are legally (not morally, practically, or ethically) required to follow our Governor's executive orders?


That's a good question, which I dont know for sure.

I think they may be exempt, because on WOV, I have read that Indian casinos remain open in States that shut down gaming.

It's probably like many issues where they can just do what they want.

But, I dont know the legal answer (I have never lived or worked near one). And, even if an order does apply to them and they ignore it, I would imagine there would be little recourse as with most things....
April 1st, 2020 at 11:59:31 AM permalink
Tripdufan
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Quote: SOOPOO
It. Was. In. Response. To. A. Post. Saying. Obama. Was. A. Great. President. Should I discuss Trump in response to that post? And it will be with him forever. It was such a whopper of a lie to get his agenda rammed through NO ONE WILL EVER FORGET IT!


It's not even close to comparable. It's a stark contrast...

Between a politician selling and inspiring hope into a plan while failing to meet ALL of the promises in a plan, but still managing to do a pretty damn good job, evidenced by the fact that a Republican controlled Congress and WH could not repeal it. Most people did keep their plans and did keep their doctors. There will be winners and losers with EVERY piece of legislation that is passed. The score of that legislation is whther or not it was a NET GAIN for the country and society as a whole. And if Obamacare was a net loser, it would be gone. But it turns out people like protection for pre-existing conditions (as Trump is fighting in courts today to weaken them). People like being able to keep their kids on their plans until 26. People like the basic things that MUST be covered under every insurance plan in America.

vs

Somebody who looks you into the camera and lies to you about things he...doesn't...have...to...lie....to...you...about.

The fact that this is just accepted by millions of people is baffling and frustrating to me.

If you want to compare "lies" from Trump and Obama, it's more comparable to compare Trump's "Mexico is gonna pay for the wall" promise to Obama's "you can keep your plan" promise.

But Obama didn't get on TV, on stage, or in front of a podium and lie to our faces on a secondly basis.