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March 29th, 2020 at 4:09:13 PM permalink
Evenbob
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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I live in MI. 98.7% of covid cases
are in the Detroit area. I live in
W MI in a county that has 650,000
people. We have 53 reported cases
and one death. Which is almost
nothing. And we're only adding
a couple new cases a day, even
with round the clock testing.

A NYC hospital doc said last night
almost all covid is spread hand to
mouth, not by air. He's 100% sure
he'll never get it because he constantly
washes his hands and NEVER
touches his face.

Most covid he said is spread to family
members, not strangers. In Detroit
you have, in the poor sections,
8-10-12 people living is a single
house. Get some Millennial smart
ass kid who doesn't care and he
spreads it to everybody in the house.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 29th, 2020 at 4:12:16 PM permalink
kenarman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Dalex64
Covid infections and deaths are still rising, and many covid infections are unmeasured.

Couldn't future flu rates and deaths be used as a measure of the effectiveness of these various levels of quarantine that we are going through?


The problem is we have no accuracy on the rates. It is almost guaranteed that a large percentage of the population are not getting ill enough to end up in a hospital and into the stats. I was reading a published letter from a NYC doctor who had 5 patients one night all in their 20's. All had coughs and thought they were having trouble breathing. He chest X-rayed them. 4 had clean X-rays and were sent home WITHOUT A COVID TEST. The fifth one had a bad chest X-ray and was admitted to hospital and ended up on a ventilator later that night.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
March 29th, 2020 at 4:46:58 PM permalink
SOOPOO
Member since: Feb 19, 2014
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Quote: AZDuffman
That is the danger of the open ended quarantine. Everyone is going to be afraid to break it, damage to the economy be damned. The media will play the first deaths after it is broken to the nines. But at some point you have to move on. You have to carry on.


Maybe how about we not think about it until we don't need to use dormitories as hospitals? Until we don't need to use a hallway as an ICU? Until we don't need to use a refrigerator truck as a makeshift morgue?

At some point we will need to move on, and you are correct that the deaths that occur after we open up the economy will be highlighted by the media to excess.
But please trust me, that time is not yet. Not even close.
March 29th, 2020 at 5:15:45 PM permalink
Dalex64
Member since: Mar 8, 2014
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Quote: Pacomartin
Flu deaths in the US
2010-2011 37,000
2011-2012 12,000
2012-2013 43,000
2013-2014 38,000
2014-2015 51,000
2015-2016 23,000
2016-2017 38,000
2017-2018* 61,000
2018-2019* 34,157
2019-2020* 24,000 – 62,000

Deaths from Covid-19 are ~2100 to date

I still don't understand the criteria for calling off the quarantine.


Relevant to these numbers of flu deaths, Trump wants to extend social distancing time through April 30 in order to keep Covid-19 deaths below 100,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/president-trump-extends-national-social-distancing-guidelines-through-april-30.html

Those flu deaths happened without such extreme social distancing measures as we are being told to follow now.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
March 30th, 2020 at 1:10:59 AM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Wondering if SOOPOO has heard any similar descriptions from colleagues on how Covid19 patients are dying.
"Can appear to be stable, and then rather suddenly desaturate and die." I assume those are the ventilator patients.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
March 30th, 2020 at 2:00:26 AM permalink
RonC
Member since: Nov 7, 2012
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Quote: Dalex64
Relevant to these numbers of flu deaths, Trump wants to extend social distancing time through April 30 in order to keep Covid-19 deaths below 100,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/president-trump-extends-national-social-distancing-guidelines-through-april-30.html

Those flu deaths happened without such extreme social distancing measures as we are being told to follow now.


Are these things accounted for in any of the numbers being used:

--the number of flu deaths is not nearly what it could be per year based on the fact that a vaccine prevents many cases of it each year.

--is every death that shows a positive Covad-19 test being shown as a death due to "complications of Covad-19"...in other words, are some deaths being wrongly attributed when other causes, not exacerbated by Covid-19, may have caused the death?

There are still too many people dying, of course. I still see family outings to the grocery store. The more people who go from one family unit, the more chances of one of them being infected on the trip. My wife saw people out playing soccer yesterday...that isn't as close contact as basketball, but it does have a lot of close contact. They were also arriving in cars with 4-5 people appearing to be from different families in them.

I don't think everyone truly gets "social distancing"...
March 30th, 2020 at 2:49:57 AM permalink
Tanko
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
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98 dead in less than seven hours yesterday in NYC. Mortality rate 2.3%.
March 30th, 2020 at 3:54:20 AM permalink
AZDuffman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Hillary Clinton under fire for joke about US leading in virus cases: Trump 'did promise America First'

I said after the election the real reason not to vote for this woman is because she is an awful human being. She proves it once again.
The President is a fink.
March 30th, 2020 at 4:40:47 AM permalink
ams288
Member since: Apr 21, 2016
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Quote: AZDuffman
Hillary Clinton under fire for joke about US leading in virus cases: Trump 'did promise America First'

I said after the election the real reason not to vote for this woman is because she is an awful human being. She proves it once again.


lol... when Donny tries to trigger the opposite side on Twitter the righties love it. When Hillary does the same thing.... well, just look at their reaction.
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
March 30th, 2020 at 4:54:34 AM permalink
RonC
Member since: Nov 7, 2012
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Quote: ams288
Quote: AZDuffman
Hillary Clinton under fire for joke about US leading in virus cases: Trump 'did promise America First'

I said after the election the real reason not to vote for this woman is because she is an awful human being. She proves it once again.


lol... when Donny tries to trigger the opposite side on Twitter the righties love it. When Hillary does the same thing.... well, just look at their reaction.


It was a poor joke.

Why won't you admit it?

What is she doing to help?