Andrew Yang seems pretty awesome

Quote: Evenbob

Why don't
people understand that taxes are
the same as stealing.

Just join the sovereign citizen movement and go whole hog into complete nonsense.

Quote:

Self-described "sovereign citizens" see themselves as answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law and as not subject to any government statutes or proceedings. In the United States, they do not recognize U.S. currency and maintain that they are "free of any legal constraints".

Quote: rxwine

Just join the sovereign citizen movement and go whole hog into complete nonsense.

I love when Live PD pulls over one of
those SC nutjobs. They have to taze
them to them out of the car. "I'm
not driving, I'm riding, I don't need
a license."

Quote: Wizard

I haven't crunched any numbers yet, but whatever it costs I would raise through sales taxes, energy taxes, property taxes, and capital gains taxes. If I have to double all those taxes, so be it. Again, my goal is the average person breaks even.

And you will crush the economy. When you tax things, you get less of them. Boost the capital gain tax and there will be less investment. Boost energy taxes and prepare for higher gas prices and eventually even gas lines.

All so we can "give away" money?

Would you patronize a casino that charged a $20 admission but gave you $18 in free play for that admission?

Quote: Evenbob

You mean getting free money every
month caused less stress than going
out and earning it? Remarkable!

Round of applause

Quote: Wizard

I haven't crunched any numbers yet, but whatever it costs I would raise through sales taxes, energy taxes, property taxes, and capital gains taxes. If I have to double all those taxes, so be it. Again, my goal is the average person breaks even.

I will get you started then. The total net worth of the richest 50 people in the US is little under $3 trillion. Simple math of 328 million people in the US times $10,000 a year gives you $3.28 trillion year for UBI. Of course the kids don't get it and you save $.5 trillion a year in welfare payments. So lets say the cost is closer to $2 trillion a year. So if you confiscate everything the 50 richest Americans own you can pay for it for a year and half. It gets much harder after that as the 51st person on the list is only worth $9 billion. You would run out of billionaires in America before you paid the next year if you only asked the billionaires to pay for the program.

Now obviously you are not just taxing the billionaires but my scenario does show how much of the countries wealth will be spent per year on UBI.

To be completely in your wheel house Mike, many young people feel that Social Security will be broke before they can collect it. How do you add the cost of UBI and afford it? A likely scenario might be to eliminate Social Security, how would that scenario play out among the population?

Quote: kenarman

I will get you started then. The total net worth of the richest 50 people in the US is little under $3 trillion. Simple math of 328 million people in the US times $10,000 a year gives you $3.28 trillion year for UBI. Of course the kids don't get it and you save $.5 trillion a year in welfare payments. So lets say the cost is closer to $2 trillion a year. So if you confiscate everything the 50 richest Americans own you can pay for it for a year and half. It gets much harder after that as the 51st person on the list is only worth $9 billion. You would run out of billionaires in America before you paid the next year if you only asked the billionaires to pay for the program.

Now obviously you are not just taxing the billionaires but my scenario does show how much of the countries wealth will be spent per year on UBI.

To be completely in your wheel house Mike, many young people feel that Social Security will be broke before they can collect it. How do you add the cost of UBI and afford it? A likely scenario might be to eliminate Social Security, how would that scenario play out among the population?

That is a total strawman. Nobody (on this site) is claiming to want to seize everything from rich people.

From Yang's site:


The means to pay for the Freedom Dividend will come from 4 sources:

1.  Current spending.  We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like.  This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.

Additionally, we currently spend over one trillion dollars on health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like.  We would save $100 – 200+ billion as people would take better care of themselves and avoid the emergency room, jail, and the street and would generally be more functional.  The Freedom Dividend would pay for itself by helping people avoid our institutions, which is when our costs shoot up.  Some studies have shown that $1 to a poor parent will result in as much as $7 in cost-savings and economic growth.

2.  A VAT.  Our economy is now incredibly vast at $19 trillion, up $4 trillion in the last 10 years alone.  A VAT at half the European level would generate $800 billion in new revenue.  A VAT will become more and more important as technology improves because you cannot collect income tax from robots or software.

3.  New revenue.  Putting money into the hands of American consumers would grow the economy.  The Roosevelt Institute projected that the economy would grow by approximately $2.5 trillion and create 4.6 million new jobs.  This would generate approximately $800 – 900 billion in new revenue from economic growth and activity.

4.  Taxes on top earners and pollution.  By removing the Social Security cap, implementing a financial transactions tax, and ending the favorable tax treatment for capital gains/carried interest, we can decrease financial speculation while also funding the Freedom Dividend.  We can add to that a carbon fee that will be partially dedicated to funding the Freedom Dividend, making up the remaining balance required to cover the cost of this program.


https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/

Quote: AZDuffman

?

Usually a dad would smack his son for living like that. At the least other men are not going to respect you.

"The problem is kids without dads. We need more father figures."
Dad stays home to raise kids
"No, not like that"

You're absurd, AZD. I could not think of a better fate for my child (or myself, even) to manage a financial state where one parent could rear their own child. I'd smach the s#$% out of him, sure. In a high five, every single time I saw him.

No comment on UBI as I'm not yet savvy, and while I've no idea who Yang is, a quick google of "name + guns" has already told me what I need to know.

Quote: Face

"The problem is kids without dads. We need more father figures."
Dad stays home to raise kids
"No, not like that"

You're absurd, AZD. I could not think of a better fate for my child (or myself, even) to manage a financial state where one parent could rear their own child. I'd smach the s#$% out of him, sure. In a high five, every single time I saw him.

No comment on UBI as I'm not yet savvy, and while I've no idea who Yang is, a quick google of "name + guns" has already told me what I need to know.

Out of all of the Democratic candidates he has the least restrictive policy proposal ad far as firearms (I know to most conservatives any restriction is too much).

He advocates a tiered system.

Quote: Gandler

Out of all of the Democratic candidates he has the least restrictive policy proposal ad far as firearms (I know to most conservatives any restriction is too much).

He advocates a tiered system.

I started what was to be a "short" (for me) reply. 2 pages later and I'm not half done lol.

I'll spare you as while on topic, it will go off topic quickly. I WILL say not everything he says is bad, and there's a few you could consider me on board with, and a few I would pay money out of my own pocket to see. But the rest is just the same ol Dem talking points, most of which are either emotional or created out of whole cloth and simply don't exist in reality.

Sorry. Yang won't make it. Sad, too, because if y'all could just stop being led by the nose about the gun issue, your party would be much more viable. Blues tote guns, too, ya know. Even my mama totes, and a more bleeding heart you could not conceive of.

Fortunately, Trump's been the most anti-gun pres since Clinton, so y'all have an opening. Capitalize, woncha?

Quote: Face

Fortunately, Trump's been the most anti-gun pres

Whatever, Face.. Quit it.