Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Follies

December 9th, 2019 at 5:01:36 PM permalink
Gandler
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No, there is no evidence it will work. A small experiment here or there does not show anything. I will say it again, WEALTH CANNOT BE CREATED FROM NOTHING.

If you want to prove me wrong, take the apple challenge. We will meet at a suite at Belagio. I will put an empty bowl on the table. You can bring any person you want, scientist, economist, anything. Must enter the room with empty pockets. Fill the bowl with apples, or the dollar value, OUT OF THIN AIR, and I will admit defeat.

Because UBI believers think wealth comes from thin air. They do not realize wealth given to one must be stolen from another. And "another" soon gets tired of being stolen from and quits creating the wealth.

For every socialist society you can point to that "works" I will point to 10 that were filled with starving people.



Wiz worked for the Social Security department. Wiz has thanked me for more than one reply breaking monetary policy to a non-economist format. I do not care how many "high tech" people support it, that does not mean it will work. Tech people are often clueless in how economics works. A bunch of tech people can support repealing the law of gravity, that does not make it possible.

BTW: The same "tech people" support the government in CA that has turned that state into a 3rd world nation with record poverty and homelessness. Why would you follow them?


It is not wealth from nothing, and nobody is claiming it as such. It is wealth redistribution through value added taxes and increased tax rates.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:16:37 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler
It is not wealth from nothing, and nobody is claiming it as such. It is wealth redistribution through value added taxes and increased tax rates.


That is wealth from nothing. Well, wealth from theft. And I hate to break it to you, but that UBI you want so bad? Wait until the VAT eats it and more day by day.

I would like it if you would find a former USSR citizen and ask how well socialism works. There is one on YT that does real good bits, asking these crazy kids what on earth they are thinking.
The President is a fink.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:26:20 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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I would like it if you would find a former USSR citizen and ask how well socialism works.


When I was a child I would ask my parents wasn't capitalism based on one of the basest human emotions, that of greed. They told me that communism was based on another even baser emotion, that of jealousy and covetting.

“Harrison Bergeron” was a short story by Kurt Vonnegut about a society founded on the principles of egalitarianism.

Ballet dancers are artificially hindered so that they are not better than an average person.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:35:04 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
When I was a child I would ask my parents wasn't capitalism based on one of the basest human emotions, that of greed. They told me that communism was based on another even baser emotion, that of jealousy and covetting.


People who favor socialism I have found to be the greediest out there. Or maybe just jealous and lazy.

Quote:
“Harrison Bergeron” was a short story by Kurt Vonnegut about a society founded on the principles of egalitarianism.

Ballet dancers are artificially hindered so that they are not better than an average person


Maybe I will put that on my reading list.
The President is a fink.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:56:15 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: AZDuffman
That is wealth from nothing. Well, wealth from theft. And I hate to break it to you, but that UBI you want so bad? Wait until the VAT eats it and more day by day.

I would like it if you would find a former USSR citizen and ask how well socialism works. There is one on YT that does real good bits, asking these crazy kids what on earth they are thinking.


USSR is not a fair comparison. UBI would provide more freedom to people.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:56:44 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Gandler
USSR is not a fair comparison.


Sure it is. They guaranteed equality
for all. Jobs you couldn't be fired
from. Housing for everybody.
Equally distributed wealth.
It was a utopia, look it up and
see what living there was like.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 10th, 2019 at 12:03:40 AM permalink
Shrek
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BTW: The same "tech people" support the government in CA that has turned that state into a 3rd world nation with record poverty and homelessness. Why would you follow them?

Because he's a libbie who does whatever his libbie friends tell him. That's why he follows them. 😂😂
December 10th, 2019 at 3:51:37 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler
USSR is not a fair comparison. UBI would provide more freedom to people.


How would stealing so much money provide "freedom?"

You are spouting the same rainbows and unicorns we hear for any social program. And they rarely come close to providing what is promised. This is because the math NEVER works.

What you seem to want is a sugar daddy who will pay your rent while you "follow your dreams" instead of getting a real job. That is what the UBI supporters all seem to want. Its "wah wah wah, I want to be an artist but I have to work 40 hours a week to pay rent and buy food!"

The USSR is a perfect example. Venezuela is a perfect example. Even KSA realizes they cannot keep people on the gravy train forever, and their government does create wealth via Saudi Aramco.

I know, I know. It did not work in these places because "the right people were not in charge" and "people like AZD don't want to go along with socialism." Am I close?
The President is a fink.
December 10th, 2019 at 6:19:24 AM permalink
pew
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Capitalism is not based on greed. It's based on freedom and mutual self interest.
December 10th, 2019 at 10:27:45 AM permalink
Evenbob
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I want to be an artist but I have to work 40 hours a week to pay rent and buy food!"


This is an old concept. For centuries
artists were subsidized by rich patrons
while they produced their art. But the
caveat was, they had to have actual
talent first. They didn't just declare
themselves an artist and some rich
old lady gave them money.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.