A vocation in a vocation

January 29th, 2018 at 5:06:02 PM permalink
Evenbob
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and became an agnostic/realist as a result. .


I've heard about those people. They're
wishy one day and washy the next.
In between they're just not sure of
anything.. Taking a stand can be terrifying
for some people..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 29th, 2018 at 5:16:03 PM permalink
beachbumbabs
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Quote: Evenbob
I've heard about those people. They're
wishy one day and washy the next.
In between they're just not sure of
anything.. Taking a stand can be terrifying
for some people..


Although I would be one of "those people", I don't accept the premise of fear. It's simple uncertainty.

Logically, we have no concrete evidence of God. We both rejected organized religion decades ago as manipulative, greedy, myth-filled organizations.

But God as a concept is not ruled out for either of us. There are arguments to be made for Intelligent Design, and aspects that cannot otherwise be explained in the Universe.

It is laughable arrogance to assume humans are the most intelligent, developed, oldest manifestation of "life", and there is no higher form. We could easily be some vastly more developed being's ant farm. We would be "God" to our world's ants if they had the consciousness to recognize our existence.

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January 29th, 2018 at 5:28:57 PM permalink
Evenbob
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But God as a concept is not ruled out for either of us. There are arguments to be made for Intelligent Design, and aspects that cannot otherwise be explained in the Universe.


So do you slap supernatural explanations
on everything science can't explain? If not,
why not. I'm perfectly happy to say I don't
know the answer to something and wait
patiently for science to come up wiyh it. I have
no need to blame it all on a god, when gods
existence itself cannot be proven. I don't
get where your washy-wishy stance comes from.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 29th, 2018 at 5:47:05 PM permalink
beachbumbabs
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Quote: Evenbob
So do you slap supernatural explanations
on everything science can't explain? If not,
why not. I'm perfectly happy to say I don't
know the answer to something and wait
patiently for science to come up wiyh it. I have
no need to blame it all on a god, when gods
existence itself cannot be proven. I don't
get where your washy-wishy stance comes from.


I'm open to more than one possible explanation. You take a position, no matter how extreme, and stick with it like a dog with a bone. Different personalities? Different approaches to life? I'm a Libra and you're a ______? IDK.
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January 29th, 2018 at 5:47:10 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
So do you slap supernatural explanations
on everything science can't explain? If not,
why not. I'm perfectly happy to say I don't
know the answer to something and wait
patiently for science to come up wiyh it. I have
no need to blame it all on a god, when gods
existence itself cannot be proven. I don't
get where your washy-wishy stance comes from.


Well I guess this thread is derailed for a bit so I'll join in by pointing out your inconsistency Bob. You seem to be saying that if science can't explain it you will wait for an answer. That is very different than an atheist position which would be the absolute certainty that there is no God. I too recognize the wishy-washyness of the agnostic position but at least it is logically consistent. The atheist position suffers from a claim of certainty that is not supported by anything. Ironically, this is exactly what you charge my position of being a theist as. I guess we are in the same boat, except my boat is much bigger and is laden down with lots of things, including science and other evidence, that at least support my position. We are all at sea and the agnostic is standing on the shore not sure which boat to get into. There is the atheist's small empty rowboat with no lights and the theist's large cruiser with lights, a compass, maps, and lots of storage for supplies - but we are both on an adventure into the big sea. When you eventually tip over we will be there to rescue you, but it seems you would rather drown.
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January 29th, 2018 at 5:49:54 PM permalink
Evenbob
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I'm open to more than one possible explanation. .


God is not an explanation for anything. You
can't take one unknown and explain another
unknown with it. But that's what Xtions do with
so many things, no wonder they're so confused
all the time.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 29th, 2018 at 5:57:55 PM permalink
beachbumbabs
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Well I guess this thread is derailed for a bit ...


You're right, FrG. My apologies for doing it.
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January 29th, 2018 at 6:03:58 PM permalink
Evenbob
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That is very different than an atheist position


And you still, after all this time, have
no idea what the atheist 'position' is.
You don't understand because you
think there is a 'position' involved.

Let's use this analogy. I don't collect
stamps. What's my position on collecting
stamps? I don't have one, I don't collect
them. Why would I have a 'position' on
something I'm not involved in.

There is no god. What's my position on
god? I have none, there is no god to have
a position on. There is no such thing as
outer space alien abductions. What's my
position on that? How can I have a position
on something that doesn't exist. Get it?

As far as your life being soooooo superior
to mine because you're a believer, how would
you know. You don't even understand atheism.
I have the same life you have, only I see it for
real and you see yours thru a self imposed prism
that colors everything just right for your belief
system.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 29th, 2018 at 6:13:26 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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He doesn't talk about it.
Many don't.
January 29th, 2018 at 6:43:05 PM permalink
Evenbob
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He doesn't talk about it.
Many don't.


You know why that is, why so many
men don't talk about the war they
were in? Because they were either
scared shitless or bored to death.
Neither are subjects that lend well
to conversation. Real men don't talk
about being scared, and talking about
being bored is as boring as you can get.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.