A vocation in a vocation
January 28th, 2018 at 2:19:58 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Look at how many delusional people felt the 'call' of god to do really crazy things. Jim Jones and David Koresh are recent examples. Koresh felt gods call that he was the Earth's 'final prophet' and look how many he talked into believing it. God people feel the 'call' about various things all the time, it's just them talking to themselves and blaming god because it makes their wants look legit. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 28th, 2018 at 6:07:03 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | You really want to compare this discernment to the individuals you mentioned, that is pretty low brother. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
January 28th, 2018 at 6:19:02 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
You don't understand, to an atheist it's all the same. You have some god whispering to you to change jobs, and that guy over there has some god telling him he's the last prophet on earth. To us on the outside, who have no gods whispering to us at all, it looks pretty suspicious. It looks like something else is going on, that no god is whispering anything to anybody, you're all just projecting.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 28th, 2018 at 8:12:55 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | So you don't see any difference in vocational discernment and how best to serve God and His people with thinking I may be the last prophet on earth? Surely an atheist if he doesn't have God whispering in his ear has enough common sense to think its not all the same. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
January 28th, 2018 at 10:00:23 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
So your point is not that some god is whispering to you that's important, that's a common everyday thing. What's important is, did he tell you to switch vocations or did he did he tell you to suicide bomb a cafe. Did he tell you to become a priest, or to have all your followers drink the poison Kool Aid. To an atheist, before we care about what you think you heard god say, we want you to prove it was actually god talking to you. That's the only important thing here. What he said can be judged later, first you have to establish it was really god. Because until you do, whatever you think he told you is on the same level of meaninglessness to us, it's just you talking to yourself. Atheists tell themselves stuff all the time, but we're grounded enough not to think it's coming from some supernatural source. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 29th, 2018 at 1:26:12 AM permalink | |
beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 | FrG. I can't stand it. I consider EB sort of a friend on the side of his persona here, but i have to interrupt this. You open your heart, make yourself vulnerable, brush past any constructive advice, and fixate on EB, who would drive Sparkle Pony off the canyon ledge trailing unicorn farts in despair. From my perspective, you seem deeply depressed and discouraged. Not sure what led you there. But you need to identify it and absolve yourself of your burden, and NOT by yourself. This is the dullness and selfishness of self-recrimination, and you will only reinforce your agonized thoughts unless you get it beyond yourself. If you go into some decisive meeting with this mind-set, you are approaching it like you're a self-immolating monk, not a Brother Jelinek. The Jesuits taught at and administered Creighton, but the monks RAN it. Brother Jelinek was the head of buildings, grounds, and security, and he was one tough guy. Jesuits tiptoed around him and spoke his name in whispers. If you're going to do this, promise yourself it's not a giving up, it's a positive move to be strong. The only way I see you doing it honestly is to face your demons. Maybe I'm totally off base. But that's the message I'm getting from this dialogue. And I still think you're a communicator, not a contemplator. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
January 29th, 2018 at 1:46:07 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18761 |
Har. Evenbob ran a lemon stand as a kid. He takes lemons and makes more lemons. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
January 29th, 2018 at 5:34:45 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
That is what I was trying to say, but beachbumbabs is far more poetic. |
January 29th, 2018 at 6:11:26 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | I hope not, but I'm not surprised that it is the bright and beautiful BBB who has picked up on this. Succinct and correct. Very good. Now as to the Sparkle Pony and unicorn stuff that is poetic but beyond my pre-caffeine skills. I'll go hit Google as soon as I can get properly caffeinated. Perhaps, FrG, you might consider a vacation rather than a vocation. A brief change of pace for you rather than this three years stuff. Is there a plot of church land somewhere on which you could plant some garlic and some dogbud lilly? I think that is what was used to feed the poor since its a weed that grows so well, is nutritious and acts a bit as an invigorating tonic. Tend your garden for a few weeks and see how restful it is. |
January 29th, 2018 at 8:27:16 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | An impression I get, FrGamble, is that you feel you need to give more of yourself, possibly at the sake of your own happyness, out of some sense of guilt that you aren't giving enough of yourself. I've been hesitating for days for expressing that. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |