The Trump Impeachment Thread

October 8th, 2019 at 11:49:03 AM permalink
Tanko
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Quote: petroglyph
President Nixon told the Fed to stop honoring the dollar's value in gold.


They stopped honoring it long before that. Gold Certificates issued in 1964 did not require an obligation to pay in gold.

Nixon gets the credit or blame, but LBJ really killed the gold standard when he eliminated the “gold cover”.

FDR actually took the US off the gold standard in 1933, when he made it illegal for US citizens to own or trade gold anywhere in the world. He required all persons to deliver all gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve.

It was not until 1975 that Americans were once again allowed to own or trade gold.

The dollar to gold ratio was $29 per ounce in 1913. It is currently $6,981 per ounce. That is what an ounce of gold would be worth today, if we were still on the gold standard.

“Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.” - Warren Buffet
October 8th, 2019 at 12:37:14 PM permalink
fleaswatter
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Quote: reno
Blackmail? Maybe, but isn't it just as likely that it's his Trump Towers Istanbul? With Trump, a lot of the corruption is all out in the open, right in front of our faces.

Quote: Newsweek
Trump himself has previously admitted that the towers represent a conflict of interest in dealing with Turkey. In a 2015 radio interview, he explained, ""I have a little conflict of interest, because I have a major, major building in Istanbul...It's called Trump Towers. Two towers, instead of one. Not the usual one, it's two. And I've gotten to know Turkey very well."


Can you imagine how Fox News would react if Obama had owned real estate in Turkey? The right-wingers would claim that Obama's foreign policies were influenced by his own personal finances... and the right-wingers would be correct!


How soon we forget.

Trump threatens 'large' sanctions on Turkey unless US pastor released

Turkey's economic crisis deepens as Trump doubles tariffs

Q&A: Why is the Turkish lira in freefall and should we worry?

Yep, it sure looks like President Trump's foreign policy towards Turkey is influenced by his own personal finances. /sarcasm


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October 8th, 2019 at 12:52:53 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: rxwine
Since so many of you love conspiracy theories about Democrats, maybe President Erdogan of Turkey blackmailed Trump, threatened to release a phone call of him trying to make some shady deal in return for a favor. That's why he threw the Kurds to the wolves. Trump saving his own skin, would throw his own best friend under a bus without much thought.

What's hard to believe about it?


Pretty believable considering I cant believe a single thing Trump says
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October 8th, 2019 at 1:29:32 PM permalink
petroglyph
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"JP Morgan
The quote in the title, “Gold Is Money, Everything Else Is Credit” is attributed to JP Morgan himself while testifying in front of Congress back in 1912 shortly before his death."

The point I was trying to make was, it isn't the working class boomers that lowered the Millenials chances at the American dream. When bankers can dictate the value of our labor retroactively, our money as a unit of storage of value is a fraud.
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October 8th, 2019 at 5:24:26 PM permalink
rxwine
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From the REPUBLICAN controlled Senate.


Quote:
Kremlin-directed operatives opened champagne when Donald Trump won the presidency in 2016, according to a communication disclosed in a new Senate Intelligence Committee report outlining Russia’s sweeping social media efforts to help him win.

“We uncorked a tiny bottle of champagne ... took one gulp each and looked into each other’s eyes .... We uttered almost in unison: ‘We made America great,’” one operative at the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency said in the message obtained by the Republican-led committee.

The long-pending report by the Intelligence panel concluded that Russia directed an aggressive social media campaign to hurt Democrat Hillary Clinton and help Trump in the 2016 presidential election and warns similar efforts to interfere in U.S. politics are still under way. It was a bipartisan endorsement of the finding made by U.S. intelligence agencies and often questioned by Trump.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-operative-said-we-made-america-great-after-trumps-win/ar-AAItSHC?ocid=spartanntp
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October 8th, 2019 at 6:06:57 PM permalink
FrGamble
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I just caught up a little bit on this thread and I gotta say Face is really good at explaining why just touting more jobs is not necessarily the be all and end all of presidential accomplishments. He speaks into how we use the wrong metrics to judge the success of our economy. Low unemployment rates with low wages and high levels of unhappiness is a really bad thing. I am not a socialist but I do wonder why the success of companies and business is not more generously shared down the ladder? Human capitalism for the common good of all that values everybody as important is where it is at.

Just to make sure I don't derail anything let me say that it seems clear that there is nothing to actually get Trump removed so this seems more just like a smear campaign or an attempt to have him lose his mind and just resign. I still for the life of me can't figure out why another republican doesn't run in 2020.
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October 8th, 2019 at 6:39:17 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: FrGamble
I just caught up a little bit on this thread and I gotta say Face is really good at explaining why just touting more jobs is not necessarily the be all and end all of presidential accomplishments. He speaks into how we use the wrong metrics to judge the success of our economy. Low unemployment rates with low wages and high levels of unhappiness is a really bad thing. I am not a socialist but I do wonder why the success of companies and business is not more generously shared down the ladder? Human capitalism for the common good of all that values everybody as important is where it is at.

Just to make sure I don't derail anything let me say that it seems clear that there is nothing to actually get Trump removed so this seems more just like a smear campaign or an attempt to have him lose his mind and just resign. I still for the life of me can't figure out why another republican doesn't run in 2020.


Low wages? My wife's daughters are making $13 an hour being an entry level cashier and dishwasher. They are kids. Nurses are making $80k a year. Entry level computer programmer (4 year degree only) start at $60k. Geico advertises $35k to start with bonuses and benefits and raises. APs like Dark and Axel are easily raking in $250k. I'm not sure if you are allowed to say, but I'd bet a dollar you are making over 60k a year.....

Low wages? What level of wages do you expect?
October 8th, 2019 at 7:13:18 PM permalink
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Quote: SOOPOO
APs like Dark and Axel are easily raking in $250k.


Are you sure?
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October 8th, 2019 at 7:21:20 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: SOOPOO
Low wages? My wife's daughters are making $13 an hour being an entry level cashier and dishwasher. They are kids. Nurses are making $80k a year. Entry level computer programmer (4 year degree only) start at $60k. Geico advertises $35k to start with bonuses and benefits and raises. APs like Dark and Axel are easily raking in $250k. I'm not sure if you are allowed to say, but I'd bet a dollar you are making over 60k a year.....

Low wages? What level of wages do you expect?


You would definitely lose your dollar bet. However, in regards to your other examples you can't live on $13 an hour or really $35k a year. I also was moved by Face mentioning for the the work load has increased as technology is pushing things beyond the human capacity to keep up. The stress and work load and fear of losing a job doesn't really translate to the security we need to find happiness. I promised I wouldn't mention it but I feel like I have to at least say that something like a UBI would be really helpful to relieve the financial stress on people. But anyway the idea that Trump will be removed from office is crazy, I just hope he can avoid going crazy himself during these attacks on him.
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October 9th, 2019 at 12:25:51 AM permalink
rxwine
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Most Democrats want to impeach U.S. President Donald Trump, even if that means weakening their party's chances of winning back the White House in the 2020 election, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.

The poll, conducted on Monday and Tuesday, found that while support for impeachment remains unchanged overall among all Americans - holding at 45% since last week - it is rising among Democrats. Opposition to impeachment also dropped by 2 percentage points from last week to 39%.

Among those who identify as Democrats, 79% said Trump should be impeached, up 5 percentage points from a similar poll that ran Sept. 26-30. Only 12% of Republicans and about 1 in 3 independents supported impeachment, which is mostly unchanged from last week


Rightwingers should be happy since they are convinced it reelects Trump.
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