The Trump Impeachment Thread

October 7th, 2019 at 7:43:15 PM permalink
fleaswatter
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Quote: Dalex64
I am hoping that this second whistleblower, with first-hand knowledge, can tell us whether or not the "transcript" (or whatever you want to call it) was complete and accurate.


I lost my list, is this the democrat's Ukrainian talking point 5 or 6??
October 7th, 2019 at 7:59:23 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Dalex64
I am hoping that this second whistleblower, with first-hand knowledge, can tell us whether or not the "transcript" (or whatever you want to call it) was complete and accurate.

I agree
I am very suspicious that we did not get an exact transcript on purpose.
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
October 7th, 2019 at 8:14:04 PM permalink
fleaswatter
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Quote: terapined
I am very suspicious that we did not get an exact transcript on purpose.


I am very suspicious that pencil neck democrat Adam Schiff refuses to release the transcripts of the interviews of the ex-Ukrainian envoy Kurt Volker and ICIG Michael Atkinson.

Hmmm, what are the democrats hiding???

I thought the democrats were for full transparency.
October 7th, 2019 at 8:17:55 PM permalink
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Quote: beachbumbabs
Here's why you're going to make it.


I'll could've told ya in far less words why...



Sorry, Babs. Didn't offer a disclaimer because it's just us dudes and many of us "get it", but so's ya knows, I ain't going no where. Some of it's dark humor in an attempt to cope. Some of it is genuine, because the state of men's health is appalling and f#$% keeping this stuff hidden and taboo. But while the idea, even the desire, is often very real, the chances are zero. Going out with a whisper having done nothing? No. Babs, I don't know else how to say it. I am quite literally too angry to die.

Quote: Babs
You'd never know joy if you hadn't hit the troughs, honey. It's the price of admission. Don't let them funnel you to the egress just yet. There's lots more joy to be had.


I'll continue this convo and just split it if needed, but I think it's important and involves the political debates being had.

I thank you for the compliments, sincerely. But this isn't and never has been an issue of self esteem or self worth. It is pure, raging insecurity. And not about shallow stuff, not that my truck's not nice enough or I'm not good looking enough or don't make enough money or can't be good provider or none of the other sort of subjective, unnecessary things. I mean security, period. Like, that if a simple accident befalls you, you'll be OK instead of done for life. I dunno, maybe this is more a "me" thing and I have genuine PTSD from my year of poverty and subsequent half decade with the USPS, but I feel there's a monster around every corner these days. I look to my job now and, coming from a dude who actively seeks out pain and does contractor grade labor for free for fun, I cannot believe the sheer torment sent upon us on a daily basis, both in the form of physical punishment right through emotional abuse. It's not about "I can't make it" because I'm a pussy millennial that doesn't want to work. It's that I already ripped both arms out of their sockets and I've still 25yrs to go. I. Can't. Make it.

Look around. My last job... I won't say it was criminal, because I don't think it was, not even technically. But it should've been. It was akin to being the EPA head and being told to wipe protections. It was anathema to my purpose, and a direct assault on my own personal integrity. Not. An. Option. And it's $14/hr now anyway, so that wouldn't work no way.

petro's a lineman. Got a couple few lineman friends. Gasmen, too. They were every one of them on my ass when I was impoverished to get a job with them. I hammered them all. Couldn't even get an interview for a meter reader. Ran a million dollar truck stop for 6 years, couldn't get a retail job no way. Not management, not front line, not garden center. I built my own car. Couldn't get on as a welder making utility fleet trucks. Quite a bit of deeper financial understanding re: casino requirements, couldn't even get a job as a bank teller.

When I look out, try to convince myself it's just me or my depressed area, I see the same thing. Kids with fresh paper asking "wtf" as all the degree jobs are coming in at $14/hr. Teachers going to their Halloween class dressed up in their second job uniforms, not for extra, not for FIRE, but just to survive. And no matter how far I look, all the way out to factual stats encompassing the entire history of the nation, they all point to highest ever DOW, booming economy, bigly, greatly, good, and also that somehow through all this, the working class has been left in the dust.

The last thing I would ever want to do is sit here with a bleeding woe is me. To admit defeat. To say "I can't". But look around. Millennials are killing the home market, not buying, living with parents. Millennials are postponing kids or disregarding the idea entirely. Millennials aren't pitching in for healthcare when it was compulsory and eschew it when it's not. Millennials aren't purchasing, instead wasting with their "experiences".

How can you tell me this is our fault? Especially when it was YOU who raised us?! This Boomer v Millennial s#$% is crazy; you're our parents! I'm your kid! Did you, Boomer, raise me, Millennial, to be such a POS I couldn't manage a budget, and leave me with such a hole in my soul that had to fill with material goods far in excess of what I could afford? Or, did you teach me everything I ever needed to know to survive in the world... it's just that that world no longer exists?

That's rhetorical. It's the f#$%ing latter.

That's everything, dear Babs. These last 8 months of mine have been indistinguishable from winning the actual lottery. For the first time in almost a decade the monster went away. When I went fishing with my son, not only did I "see" him, I saw myself. The me that was. It's all still there. And it didn't take nothing but work being now just weeks away and it's all gone again. That job got me that boat, and I'm damn sure grateful for that. But it's also going to keep me off it, and poison every moment on it, because I can't get away from it. One slip, one fall, anywhere and anytime, and that's The End of my career. Then what? What does my past offer to lean on? What does looking out give me to lean on?

Whatever it is, I can't see it. And I'm sure that's probably my fault, too.
Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it.
October 7th, 2019 at 8:22:28 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Face
Well, if we're just speaking anecdotally, then I can agree to a point. Especially if we're talking my direct peers, like the Senior Millennial / Junior Gen X, your late 30 / early 40, I can see that. I know very few of my peers who have any savings or retirement plan, who bought houses without down payment, who buy new 1500's and immediately throw stretch tires and lift kits and coffee can exhausts, and generally try to live the Instagram life. That certainly does exist. And I would agree with you re: personal responsibility in those cases.

But I learned that lesson before I even had finances, and while I enjoy my motorsports and day dreams, I've never been a materialistic person. Not since 10th grade have I concerned myself with new shoes or trendy shirts. I'm a big gamer, but I haven't bought a new console since... well, ever. Original Xbox was the last one I received as soon as it was out, and that was a gift. I game extensively, but exclusively buy titles several years out of date so I get them for <$20 instead of >$60. You've seen my last 10yrs of vehicles, so no question there. Spartan, bare, value over status. I don't drink. I don't have a "social life", don't party, don't go out to dinners or soirees, don't see movies or concerts. Don't tailgate the Bills or season ticket the Sabres. I was ~29 before I got my first credit card, and that was opened and controlled and used exclusively by my wife only. I've never used one myself. We saved >$25k for down payment on our first house. After the divorce, I upended my entire life to make that ~$35k debt a priority, lived a life of severely impeded entertainment and luxury, and got it off in a few years. And every single large purchase since then has been done the same. Down payment, debt a priority until it's gone. I've never missed a bill in my life (save divorce shuffle and mailbox destruction), never had actions taken (except for the ER bill I refuse out of principle), never had to take out a high interest loan or engage in predatory practices (It's my money and I want it now!), never fell for get rich quick plans, MLM schemes, Nigerian princes, or collectors fads, and save the unemployment / comp, I ain't never been on the dole, declared bankruptcy, or requested or accepted charity (except that damn ER bill attempt).

I know you can point to a bunch of leaks, but they're all accounted for. The very reason I don't, say, stop at a C-store to make a trip more enjoyable, is because I know I have a $912.50p/yr leak with my smoking habit (and yes, that's exactly my cost, because I eschew luxury so no Newports for this guy). It would make me happy to right now end this post and go play hockey, but I chose a lifestyle that requires a 12mpg vehicle, so travel restrictions are mine to own. And I do so, happily, because personal responsibility isn't a cliché, it's a lifestyle. Stop waiting for it to happen and take control, right?

That's where you lose me, and where I am lost. The preparation for adulthood came by way of experiencing my parents. That was the lens I saw everything through. As I aged and fears of adulthood came, it was them that grounded me. My parents were nothing special (on paper). Mama never went to college, she went straight into the state. Pops was a trained dentist c/o the USNavy, but likewise went right into the state after serving. Neither made leaps within the organization. Both stayed front lines for their entire careers, save the typical bump up for the last 3 years. And through all that, I never wanted for nothing. This amazing building that I call home was theirs in their mid 20's. I grew up in the back of a '72 Cuda and 5.0 Mustang. I sure remember the winter beaters in the 80's, when I was lil, when they were in their early 30s, but by early 90's when I was 12-14 and they were my age now, those cars were all new, and have been ever since. There was a 24' pool out back. A 24' cuddy cruiser, brand new. Vacations were not "grand", it was just 1 trip to Darien or Cedar Point and one trip to Allegany every summer, but they were guaranteed. Mom blew out her knee, it got fixed. Pops knocked out his teeth, they got fixed. Their kid put their car through the trees at 90mph, kid was home that night, new car was in the drive that week, and life went on. They even had enough to blow $11k/yr on my (one year of) college, put a new roof on the house, extend the driveway to two lanes, gut and replace the bathroom, get a new washer and dryer, have the Cuda rebuilt when Pops wrapped it around the tree, fix the neighbor windows I sent a rock through, replace the neighbors bike I bombed into the crick... and they all of this by just going to work. And they, like the rest of my quasi-Amish family, did not do it via credit cards or sketchy loans or hope at the dog track. They were just simple, they lived simple, and that simplicity fell below their means, just as you prescribe.

My output, in comparison, falls quite short of even theirs. My simplicity, my wants, not a single one opposes theirs. My one vacation doesn't even reach their cigarette output at 1990s premium prices. My vehicles at 38 are of the status of their vehicles at 23. Their holiday budget existed, mine does not. Their boat was the same price as mine, only in vastly differently valued dollars. Pops bought his Cuda, I built my race car. Pops paid for a new roof. I installed my own.

And again, please, do not miss my point. I don't even care that "Pops had a Cuda, I have a s@#$box CRX!", not at all (well, a little, but not my point =p) My point isn't that I can't even reach their splendor, it's that I can't manage a future, even at a self imposed reduced wanting. My parents always had health insurance, just as I do now. Know how many hundred dollar bills they got? Now compare them to just my teeth alone. Can you see what I'm saying?

I'm doing more work, vastly more what with the extra construction / mechanics / roofing / etc that I've picked up (neither have EVER had a side gig), have eschewed even further the trappings of luxury, and am STILL drowning. THAT'S my bitch, and what's got me raging. I don't want a European suit, a G7, my own island, a 918 with "Supreme" written across the hood. I just wanna know that when I stand up and can't walk, I'm not going to lose everything I own. I want to have this simple life I have, fishing pole in hand, and know my home is secure. That's it. And that, apparently, is asking too much. Worse, that all of this is somehow my own fault.

It's positively crushing.


Dude, no offense, but I don't read
these long rambling posts of
yours. I'm sure they're well written,
but you really need to work on
the point you want to make and
express it in far fewer words.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 7th, 2019 at 9:00:57 PM permalink
terapined
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This is rich
Lou Dobbs is on the warpath and absolutely livid with the republican party
If you are not 100% behind King Trump, you are not a republican and need to apologize to America
Too funny. Its so bizarre.
Who is Lou Dobbs ranting about
Lindsey Graham
Mitt Romney
Mitch Mcconnell
Susan Collins
Ben Sasse
Marco Rubio

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
October 7th, 2019 at 9:13:23 PM permalink
petroglyph
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The United States defended the price of gold at $35 per ounce. In 1971, President Nixon told the Fed to stop honoring the dollar's value in gold.

"Gold PricePowered by JM Bullion
Oct 07, 2019 at 11:53 pm EDT
USD$1,493.74"


It's the bankers.

The bankers are propping up the dow with money stolen by them from our childrens children. They have sucked the future into a black hole, that nothing can escape from, not even light.

The only way the debt gets fixed is through a collapse, so do your part and piss away millions. The only option you have is whether to enjoy this life, and by extension face jr.'s, or make yourself insufferably miserable every day.

"To a Gysy, a rich man isn't a man that has a million dollars, a rich man is a man who has borrowed and then spent a million dollars" Ivan Tilla/mentor

None of us getting out of this alive.


added: If you had been paid in gold, with gold at 35 dollars per ounce, you would have been paid around 120 ounces. At todays rate of 1500 per ounce, multiplied by your salary of 120 ounces, what would that be, about 180 grand?
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October 7th, 2019 at 10:51:50 PM permalink
rxwine
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Since so many of you love conspiracy theories about Democrats, maybe President Erdogan of Turkey blackmailed Trump, threatened to release a phone call of him trying to make some shady deal in return for a favor. That's why he threw the Kurds to the wolves. Trump saving his own skin, would throw his own best friend under a bus without much thought.

What's hard to believe about it?
Trump Doctrine-Abandon loyal ally and make pathetic excuses why they weren't worthy
October 8th, 2019 at 7:35:43 AM permalink
fleaswatter
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Quote: rxwine
Since so many of you love conspiracy theories about Democrats, .............


Conspiracy theories about Republicans have been the lifeblood and modus operandi of the left since Trump was running for president and every single day of Trump's presidency.

MAGA (don't click here)
October 8th, 2019 at 11:15:18 AM permalink
reno
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Quote: rxwine
Since so many of you love conspiracy theories about Democrats, maybe President Erdogan of Turkey blackmailed Trump, threatened to release a phone call of him trying to make some shady deal in return for a favor. That's why he threw the Kurds to the wolves. Trump saving his own skin, would throw his own best friend under a bus without much thought.

What's hard to believe about it?


Blackmail? Maybe, but isn't it just as likely that it's his Trump Towers Istanbul? With Trump, a lot of the corruption is all out in the open, right in front of our faces.

Quote: Newsweek
Trump himself has previously admitted that the towers represent a conflict of interest in dealing with Turkey. In a 2015 radio interview, he explained, ""I have a little conflict of interest, because I have a major, major building in Istanbul...It's called Trump Towers. Two towers, instead of one. Not the usual one, it's two. And I've gotten to know Turkey very well."


Can you imagine how Fox News would react if Obama had owned real estate in Turkey? The right-wingers would claim that Obama's foreign policies were influenced by his own personal finances... and the right-wingers would be correct!