The Trump Impeachment Thread
December 24th, 2019 at 1:55:40 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
Other than a full personality transplant I can't imagine much of anything moving the dial much either way at this point. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
December 24th, 2019 at 8:11:16 AM permalink | |
Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
If he wins reelection? Hell, have to figure that they would try anything, at that point. Besides, he might do something that is Impeachment-worthy (or more Impeachment-worthy, depending on one's opinion of what the current underlying matter is.) That said, according to any aggregated polling data I have seen; (mostly 538) he is NOT more popular now than he has ever been. However, his approval rating is well above his low point, trended slightly upwards since the start of the Impeachment process (until the last week or so) and the difference in the percentage of people who believe he should be removed from office (currently 47.6%) and those who do not (currently 46%) is significantly less than it was in April. That's saying something, too, because not only are more Americans specifically taking the stand that they are against removal from office...but as the House has done different things, the percentage in favor of removal from office has also dropped pretty meaningfully! First Mueller and then the actual Impeachment. It's as if people are LESS convinced now that the Democrats have made an actual case against him. I think a lot of them really just liked the idea of Impeachment as a talking point when that's all that it was. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
December 24th, 2019 at 9:04:46 AM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4177 |
I believe that Clinton was not convicted and removed because he was a very popular President. Trump has started out as perhaps the most unpopular President ever. There were more votes for his opponent than any other opponent in history, correct? Consider Trump's lack of popularity BEFORE being impeached, I think his present relatively high level of popularity is remarkable. Point being very few who thought highly or even 'mediumly' about him have changed their minds. I do not think a Senate trial will change that one iota. I do believe that the grossly unfair way the Democrats handled it in the House has had a general negative impact on the Democrats. I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens to the Republicans if they refuse to allow witnesses to be called in the Senate trial. |
December 24th, 2019 at 10:53:38 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Possibly, but it will undoubtedly get less effective each time. It seems silly to squander their first chance on a case where the Democrats did not hold a simple majority in the Senate. Another 20th century Democratic Senator wrote a book in 1956 that won a Pulitzer prize. Of the eight senators profiled, one was Edmund G. Ross, from Kansas, for voting for acquittal in the Andrew Johnson impeachment trial. As a result of Ross's vote, along with those of six other Republicans, Democrat Johnson's presidency was saved, and the stature of the office was preserved. |
December 24th, 2019 at 8:22:54 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Just heard a senator give a good explanation of what impeachment is. The job of the House of Representatives is to give the United States Senate evidence of high crimes and high misdemeanors committed by the president. The Senate then investigates these crimes and determines if they are severe enough that the president needs to be removed how office. The problem is, the House has not presented a single impeachable crime for the Senate to look at. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 25th, 2019 at 5:53:58 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | You mean being an arrogant, obnoxious, pompous and incompetent jerk is not a crime, no matter how much smoke the opposition party blows? |
December 25th, 2019 at 7:53:47 AM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4177 |
Which of those 4 traits was not on full display BEFORE the election? The American people had full access to Trump and his actions over decades before the election, and chose him over Hillary Clinton. Your post really sums up the matter quite nicely. Reason to not vote for him. No reason to impeach him. |
December 25th, 2019 at 9:01:04 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
Wrong. We had to wait for wrongdoing to impeach him, else we could have done it right away. Also people seem to think obstruction charges are imaginary crime. You start impeding a police officers investigation even if you are previously just a bystander to a crime and see how many charges you can rack up. Quite a few actually. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
December 25th, 2019 at 10:25:18 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Incompetent? LOL! You must be joking. Do you have any idea how much Trump has accomplished in just 3 years? He may be arrogant and pompous, name a president who wasn't. But incompetent he's not. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 26th, 2019 at 7:39:02 AM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4177 |
You are aware that there are countless examples of Democrat leaders calling for his impeachment before he was inaugurated? And a few doofusses started introducing impeachment stuff as soon as he was President. So the President is guilty of 'wrongdoing' as you say. Only the Senate decides that. We shall see what the verdict says...... |