The Trump Impeachment Thread

December 24th, 2019 at 1:55:40 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Evenbob
You do realize 50 year old poll
numbers are meaningless when
comparing to modern ones.
The polling now is much more
exact and scientific.


Other than a full personality transplant I can't imagine much of anything moving the dial much either way at this point.
Being anti-science is like believing in fake gambling systems. Worth nothing and just luck
December 24th, 2019 at 8:11:16 AM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: Evenbob
Would they really be that stupid? Trump is more
popular than ever since the impeachment started.
Many people predicted this because it happened
with Clinton.


If he wins reelection? Hell, have to figure that they would try anything, at that point. Besides, he might do something that is Impeachment-worthy (or more Impeachment-worthy, depending on one's opinion of what the current underlying matter is.)

That said, according to any aggregated polling data I have seen; (mostly 538) he is NOT more popular now than he has ever been. However, his approval rating is well above his low point, trended slightly upwards since the start of the Impeachment process (until the last week or so) and the difference in the percentage of people who believe he should be removed from office (currently 47.6%) and those who do not (currently 46%) is significantly less than it was in April.

That's saying something, too, because not only are more Americans specifically taking the stand that they are against removal from office...but as the House has done different things, the percentage in favor of removal from office has also dropped pretty meaningfully! First Mueller and then the actual Impeachment. It's as if people are LESS convinced now that the Democrats have made an actual case against him. I think a lot of them really just liked the idea of Impeachment as a talking point when that's all that it was.
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December 24th, 2019 at 9:04:46 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: rxwine
The only thing I read is his numbers are now similar to Nixon. He's not doing as well as Clinton was during his impeachment.


I believe that Clinton was not convicted and removed because he was a very popular President. Trump has started out as perhaps the most unpopular President ever. There were more votes for his opponent than any other opponent in history, correct?
Consider Trump's lack of popularity BEFORE being impeached, I think his present relatively high level of popularity is remarkable. Point being very few who thought highly or even 'mediumly' about him have changed their minds. I do not think a Senate trial will change that one iota.
I do believe that the grossly unfair way the Democrats handled it in the House has had a general negative impact on the Democrats. I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens to the Republicans if they refuse to allow witnesses to be called in the Senate trial.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:53:38 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Dalex64
Will Trump become the first president to be impeached more than once?

Possibly, but it will undoubtedly get less effective each time. It seems silly to squander their first chance on a case where the Democrats did not hold a simple majority in the Senate.

Another 20th century Democratic Senator wrote a book in 1956 that won a Pulitzer prize. Of the eight senators profiled, one was Edmund G. Ross, from Kansas, for voting for acquittal in the Andrew Johnson impeachment trial. As a result of Ross's vote, along with those of six other Republicans, Democrat Johnson's presidency was saved, and the stature of the office was preserved.

December 24th, 2019 at 8:22:54 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Just heard a senator give a good explanation
of what impeachment is. The job of the House of
Representatives is to give the United States Senate
evidence of high crimes and high misdemeanors
committed by the president. The Senate then
investigates these crimes and determines if they
are severe enough that the president needs to be
removed how office. The problem is, the House has
not presented a single impeachable crime for the
Senate to look at.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 25th, 2019 at 5:53:58 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: Evenbob
The problem is, the House has not presented a single impeachable crime for the Senate to look at.
You mean being an arrogant, obnoxious, pompous and incompetent jerk is not a crime, no matter how much smoke the opposition party blows?
December 25th, 2019 at 7:53:47 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Fleastiff
You mean being an arrogant, obnoxious, pompous and incompetent jerk is not a crime, no matter how much smoke the opposition party blows?


Which of those 4 traits was not on full display BEFORE the election? The American people had full access to Trump and his actions over decades before the election, and chose him over Hillary Clinton.

Your post really sums up the matter quite nicely. Reason to not vote for him. No reason to impeach him.
December 25th, 2019 at 9:01:04 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: SOOPOO
Which of those 4 traits was not on full display BEFORE the election? The American people had full access to Trump and his actions over decades before the election, and chose him over Hillary Clinton.

Your post really sums up the matter quite nicely. Reason to not vote for him. No reason to impeach him.


Wrong. We had to wait for wrongdoing to impeach him, else we could have done it right away.

Also people seem to think obstruction charges are imaginary crime. You start impeding a police officers investigation even if you are previously just a bystander to a crime and see how many charges you can rack up. Quite a few actually.
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December 25th, 2019 at 10:25:18 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Fleastiff
You mean being an arrogant, obnoxious, pompous and incompetent jerk is not a crime, no matter how much smoke the opposition party blows?


Incompetent? LOL! You must be joking.
Do you have any idea how much Trump
has accomplished in just 3 years? He may
be arrogant and pompous, name a president
who wasn't. But incompetent he's not.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 26th, 2019 at 7:39:02 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: rxwine
Wrong. We had to wait for wrongdoing to impeach him, else we could have done it right away.

Also people seem to think obstruction charges are imaginary crime. You start impeding a police officers investigation even if you are previously just a bystander to a crime and see how many charges you can rack up. Quite a few actually.


You are aware that there are countless examples of Democrat leaders calling for his impeachment before he was inaugurated? And a few doofusses started introducing impeachment stuff as soon as he was President. So the President is guilty of 'wrongdoing' as you say. Only the Senate decides that. We shall see what the verdict says......