Easter: Message of Jesus?

Quote: FrGamble

Is there something that a friend could do that would cause you to stop being friends with them?

Of course, there's a straw that breaks
the back of any relationship. So what.

Quote: FrGamble

The only answer is that He is God incarnate.

No, that's hardly the only answer.
You can't even show god exists,
let alone anything else. So your
'only' answer doesn't even enter
into it.

This is like a conversation about
how great the land of Oz is, when
you can't even establish that Oz
exists. You love nothing better
than to gloss over the fact that
you have no grounds for your
argument, and just plough ahead
like it doesn't matter. Well, it does
matter. Without it you have nothing.

Quote: Evenbob

Of course, there's a straw that breaks
the back of any relationship. So what.

Sin is that straw that breaks our relationship with God.

Put aside your disbelief in God and just think of one of your friends. That which would break your relationship with your friend is sin. Let me know if you have any other questions or still don't get it.

Quote: Evenbob

No, that's hardly the only answer.
You can't even show god exists,
let alone anything else. So your
'only' answer doesn't even enter
into it.

You love nothing better
than to gloss over the fact that
you have no grounds for your
argument, and just plough ahead
like it doesn't matter. Well, it does
matter. Without it you have nothing.

I have reality behind me and that is what you would like to just gloss over.

Why does Jesus matter so much? What is your explanation? As you have said over and over thousands and thousands were crucified, many claimed to be the Messiah, His teaching was similar to many that went before. What is it about Him that inspired those who followed Him to such fervor of spreading His message? What led so many to accept Him and His claim to be God and to follow Him and worship Him? What led to the spread of the largest religion on Earth? I'm curious as to what your answer is.

I saw lots of chocolate in the super market but thought that was for Valentine's Day, is Easter also looming on the horizon?

Quote: FrGamble

That which would break your relationship with your friend is sin.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any
more obscure about what sin is, you prove
me wrong. You're in the sin business and have
not a clue what it is. Just to get you grounded:

sin/
noun
noun: sin; plural noun: sins

1.
an immoral act considered to be a transgression against god

This definition doesn't seem to be in
your dictionary, when it's the main
definition in everybody elses..

Quote: FrGamble

Why does Jesus matter so much? What is your explanation? .

Right place at the right time. Why
did Mormonisn catch on and flourish
into the richest religion in the world.
Same explanation. And Jesus only
matters to his followers, the rest of us
could care less. Go to India or China
or Russia and find out how much
Jesus matters to them.

Mormons have been around for 175
years they are full of blue mud. A
truly dumb religion. Yet I can guarantee
that 300 years from now they will be
even stronger. Never underestimate
the gullibility of the human race. Xtionity
is a testament to that..

Quote: Evenbob

sin/
noun
noun: sin; plural noun: sins

1.
an immoral act considered to be a transgression against god

Replace God with friend and what is the difference between what we were just talking about. Sin is an immoral act that is a transgression against a friend. I know you don't believe in God, for no apparent reason, but you are at least familiar with the concept of sin. You acknowledge that a friend can do something that so transgresses against you that it can sever the friendship. It is the same thing, do you see it now?

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

Umm...when Mormons are still around 1,850 years from now I might not laugh so much at your comparison. I also had to laugh as your right place and right time line. You think the right time to start a Jesus movement was when the most powerful empire on Earth was oppressing your people and your own people call for your execution? You think before the days of mass communication and when gods and religion was so intertwined with national identity and power that it was a good time for Jesus to blow all that stuff up and challenge the essence of just about every other religion around. Come on man, you have to be more serious than that!?!

Quote: FrGamble

Replace God with friend and what is the difference between what we were just talking about. Sin is an immoral act that is a transgression against a friend.

So you just make up definitions of sin, what a fun
game. I say sin is promising your dog chopped
beef for dinner and you give him a can of cat
food instead. Makes as much sense as anything
you can come up with. Lets go to that pesky
dictionary again:

sin
1. an offense against religious or moral law
2 a : transgression of the law of God

Seems easy enough to me, how come you
never mention it. I was told by my Xtion
friends in the 70's that Jesus died so we
would escape original sin. What did Jesus
say about original sin, I don't recall.