The Bible God or Kali

Quote: Nareed

If you will demean everything that isn't 100% original, you should start with your own faith, which is a result of thousands of years of cultural evolution.

My faith is the result of a person who was God named Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. He is the fullness of Revelation and sent the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. There is nothing in my faith that does not come from God and development of doctrine guided by the Spirit.

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Not even close.

The reason is that Latin remained the language of law, even in the Greek-speaking Byzantine empire. This was because jurisprudence existed almost solely in Latin. The Byzantine Orthodox church did not use Latin in tis liturgy, you know.

So the use of Latin in our society today has nothing to do with the Catholic Church, which has kept that language alive as its official language long after the Roman Empire was nothing but ruins and writings?

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You do know I can prove the Roman Empire existed, if we count the Republic and the Kingdom before it, from around 700 BCE to shortly before the renaissance, don't you?

You do know I can prove the Catholic Church existed from the Apostles of Jesus Christ till today, don't you? I can also prove that the Roman Empire was kept alive to the Renaissance by the Catholic Church.

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If we can't explain something we call it god.

I think earlier you said something about repeating an argument and thinking that even though it is wrong it would somehow convince me just because you keep saying it over and over again.

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And I can explain your horoscope by using the reality of astrology. What's your point?

My point is that you cannot actually explain my horoscope using astrology. However, you can really experience the awful reality of possession and the power of exorcism.

Quote: FrGamble

My faith is the result of a person who was God named Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. He is the fullness of Revelation and sent the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. There is nothing in my faith that does not come from God and development of doctrine guided by the Spirit.

So Mary was a godless pagan?

Mind. Blown.

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So the use of Latin in our society today has nothing to do with the Catholic Church,

Not in law.

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I can also prove that the Roman Empire was kept alive to the Renaissance by the Catholic Church.

Let's see: the Empire arose more or less in the 30s BCE. It fell in the West by 455 CE or so, after much tribulation, when one of the large Goth groups gained supremacy over Italy but couldn't hold on to the rest of the Western provinces.

Still the Roman Empire, without Rome or even Italy, kept going in the East. This is what we commonly call now the Byzantine Empire after its capital, Byzantium, modern-day Istanbul. This lasted, under the name ROMAN EMPIRE, until the 1450s or so, though as a force to be reckoned with it was spent much sooner.

I don't recall when the great split took place, but for the major part of Byzantium's history, the top spiritual authority was the Patriarch of Constantinople, who I'm given to understand is as Catholic as Queen Elizabeth I (you know, the one Catholic Spain tried to subjugate out of "love"?)

Go ahead. I'll enjoy your proof. I've always liked alternate histories.

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My point is that you cannot actually explain my horoscope using astrology.

There's no other way to explain a horoscope. And once you're told, "because the stars so indicate," or whatever horse crap astrologers say, you're as enlightened about it as I am when you say "because my god did it."

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However, you can really experience the awful reality of possession and the power of exorcism.

How about repossession? Whom do you call for that?

Quote: FrGamble

The beauty of Christ and our redemption is that He saves us from this worry

That's the myth they buy, so they think
they're immune. It's the 4-F draft classification,
you no longer have to worry that the Army
will take you away. If you really study the rules
of the myth and how a Christian gets into
heaven, you realize very few will make it. But
all the Christians I know are very smug that
they're all going, they said the right magic
words. It's really quite appalling, their ego
driven smugness.

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Again I ask you; is the only reason you don't believe in Leprechauns is because you never saw one?

I don't believe they exist because they
can't exist. There are no creatures that,
if captured, will grant you 3 wishes if
you release them. Just like there is no
son of god that will give you the power
to raise the dead, drink poison and live,
or lay hands on people to heal them.
It's all magical nonsense, like Leprechauns
granting wishes. Surely you see that.

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also how would the world be an insane place if God exists, which of course He does.

Because all the natural laws would be violated,
and that's not possible. You would have people
doing actual natural law breaking magic, and
nobody is, are they. You think the bread and
wine is really turned into flesh and blood, you've
said as much. If I said I could turn one thing into
another by muttering a few magic words, that
would classify me as insane. Because it is insane.

Quote: FrGamble

He is very much alive!

LOL! (the exclamation point says I really mean it)

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This too is not a myth but a firmly held belief

Yup, that's what a myth is, a firmly held belief.
Like crop circles are done by aliens. Or all the
dead Christians will fly out of their graves when
Jesus returns. But didn't that already happen
when all the dead Jewish saints came back to
life? Sure it did, it says so in the infallible book.

Quote: FrGamble

anyone crazy enough to think there are no gods?!?

Do you REALLY think atheists are all crazy? I just watched a 2 year old die last week due to a bad accident. I saw the agony the family had to endure. No one who believes in God has ever given me an adequate explanation that would make any sense for a benevolent all powerful being allowing this to happen. So for me, given this evidence, explain to me how someone who does not believe in God is crazy? I would say this is evidence God does not exist, at least a benevolent God.

Quote: SOOPOO

Do you REALLY think atheists are all crazy? I just watched a 2 year old die last week due to a bad accident. I saw the agony the family had to endure. No one who believes in God has ever given me an adequate explanation that would make any sense for a benevolent all powerful being allowing this to happen. So for me, given this evidence, explain to me how someone who does not believe in God is crazy? I would say this is evidence God does not exist, at least a benevolent God.

Part of the evidence there is a God is the justified pain and sorrow you feel over this tragedy. Where does that come from? Why do we feel this so deeply and raise our fists to Heaven to say this is not fair. It is because it is not right and it is very sad. However, if there was no God and we were all just insignificant super evolved animals by random chance that are destined to die and there is no ultimate meaning to anything we experience than this is the death of a 2 year old, not much different than the death of an 82 year old. It is the facts of life, nature taking its random course of action. All of us I pray would reject this atheistic notion and feel as you do that this is unfair and not right. We long to make sense of this and hold out a reasonable hope that if we are made to feel this way then there is ultimate redemption even in the face of unspeakable tragedy. This is our only hope. We either reject God and accept these things or we know God exists and rail against them trusting that there is an ultimate purpose that makes everything right for this dear child and the parents. This is what we can offer them, hope that their feelings of injustice are not in vain and that this child is now in peace and happiness for all eternity and that one day, quicker than a blink of an eye compared to eternity, we will be reunited together again in the joys of Heaven. This is what Jesus Christ shows us by His Resurrection. No matter how bleak, painful, and dark things are we are given hope and semblance of peace that my longing for what we know is right will not go unfulfilled for every.

Quote: FrGamble

Part of the evidence there is a God is the justified pain and sorrow you feel over this tragedy. Where does that come from?

There's no way to answer this that won't get you to say it's "god, god, god, god, god, god, god, Jesus." It's like you don't know any other words.

Even if I say that grief, pain and sorrow are emotions observed in animals, you'll still say "god, god, god, god, god, god, god, Jesus." So what's the use?

Quote: FrGamble

and there is no ultimate meaning to anything.

There is no meaning to anything other
than what we give it. How would that
even be possible in a universe that is
in the constant process of change. The
only constant in the universe is ongoing
never ending evolution on a scale we
can't possibly comprehend. So silly little
man inserts a god in there (thousands
of gods, actually) so he thinks he has some
control. He doesn't.

Quote: Nareed

There's no way to answer this that won't get you to say it's "god, god, god, god, god, god, god, Jesus." It's like you don't know any other words.

Even if I say that grief, pain and sorrow are emotions observed in animals, you'll still say "god, god, god, god, god, god, god, Jesus." So what's the use?

He is the way, the truth, and the life after all.

At least I have an way to answer the question. You have nothing to answer with.

Quote: FrGamble

At least I have an way to answer the question. You have nothing to answer with.

No, you don't.

I have plenty to answer with. But it doesn't matter, because regardless of what I say, you'll reduce it all to "god or Jesus."

Do you know what the function of qualifiers in a sentence? Saying "there's no way to answer this that will not..." is not the same as saying "I have nothing to answer with."

I hate saying things like this, but I must: for someone who talks about reason and logic so much, perhaps you should make their acquaintance before bringing them up.