The Bible God or Kali

If you have plenty to answer with please do. Atheism has no answer to the suffering of this world and nothing to offer us who know that there is something wrong when a two year old dies. We inherently know there is something tragic and awful about such situations but atheism doesn't see it that way. Please correct me if I am wrong. However, it is beyond clear that reason, logic, and human experience itself rejects the craziness of atheism.

Quote: Nareed

I hate saying things like this, but I must: for someone who talks about reason and logic so much, perhaps you should make their acquaintance before bringing them up.

I love the way you think and express yourself, Nareed.
I wish I hadn't made you angry years ago and we were
friends. My loss..

Quote: FrGamble

Atheism has no answer to the suffering of this world and nothing to offer us .

Of course it doesn't, atheism isn't a thing,
it's a lack of something. But atheists, the
actual people, have just as much to offer
as any god person does. And we do. Just
as often, if not more often. Ed is right,
on atheism, you are clueless.

Quote: FrGamble

If you have plenty to answer with please do.

What's the use?

Anything I say, you'll either appropriate and claim it was inspired by "god, god, Jesus, god," or dismiss out of hand because it makes no mention of "Jesus, god, god, Jesus, god."

You're incapable of conceiving that anyone can do anything even remotely good without the influence of your imaginary friends, and so lacking in empathy you prefer outmoded, outdated, wrong prejudices from thousands of years ago to giving a moment to actual thought.

You're just not worth saving.

Quote: Evenbob

Of course it doesn't, atheism isn't a thing,
it's a lack of something. But atheists, the
actual people, have just as much to offer
as any god person does. And we do. Just
as often, if not more often. Ed is right,
on atheism, you are clueless.

Atheists as actual people do indeed have just as much to offer as any believer does.

However, the idea of atheism, which states there is no God is not nothing. It is making a truth statement and one that is blatantly false and illogical. I will agree with you on one thing - atheism adds nothing to help humanity. In fact it is worse than that, following atheism to its logical conclusion it robs humanity of hope, meaning, and value. The atheist person does not do this, in fact atheism as a philosophical idea is interesting to discuss. Thank God that no one really actually lives by their atheistic ideas and the conclusions it would lead to.

Quote: Nareed

What's the use?

Anything I say, you'll either appropriate and claim it was inspired by "god, god, Jesus, god," or dismiss out of hand because it makes no mention of "Jesus, god, god, Jesus, god."

And anything I will say reference God or Jesus you will mock and claim without evidence or logic that such things don't exist. You sound suspiciously like you really don't have anything to say and are just trying to give yourself some cover.

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You're incapable of conceiving that anyone can do anything even remotely good without the influence of your imaginary friends, and so lacking in empathy you prefer outmoded, outdated, wrong prejudices from thousands of years ago to giving a moment to actual thought.

This is not true. We are filled with more potential for goodness that you can even imagine even if you don't believe in God at all. I am filled with empathy and recognize the many valid reasons why someone would choose to not believe in God. I also think about these things all the time and know that the morality preached by the Son of God is not outmoded, outdated, or wrong.

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You're just not worth saving.

You are.

Quote: FrGamble

And anything I will say reference God or Jesus you will mock and claim without evidence or logic that such things don't exist.

I don't have any evidence or logic which would satisfy religious-style standards of proof that Spiderman or Wonder Woman are not real. Just the same, if you tried to justify an ethical stand using Peter Parker or Diana, I'd call BS on it for the same reason.

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You sound suspiciously like you really don't have anything to say

Do you know how long the odds are of finding an intellectual-minded woman who has nothing to say about something like this? I'm done casting pearls before swine, is all.

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I am filled with empathy and recognize the many valid reasons why someone would choose to not believe in God.

I had to laugh at that.

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I also think about these things all the time and know that the morality preached by the Son of God is not outmoded, outdated, or wrong.

Again, I've no evidence or logic which would satisfy religious-style standards of proof that the Son of Krypton is not real, etc. etc.

See, if a deity with powers surpassing those of an average person had laid down a moral code, and this deity were benevolent, you wouldn't have so much crap, oppression and contempt built into it, as your moral code does.

The only advantage of your moral code over others, and I use the term "advantage" very loosely, is that by attributing it to a "perfect" entity, it liberates you from the necessity of thought and rational judgment.

Quote: Nareed

I don't have any evidence or logic which would satisfy religious-style standards of proof that Spiderman or Wonder Woman are not real. Just the same, if you tried to justify an ethical stand using Peter Parker or Diana, I'd call BS on it for the same reason.

You act as if there is some different standard for religious proof. If you cannot prove that Spiderman or Wonder Woman are not real then you really have just stopped thinking. If you think that there existence is the same as the existence of Jesus Christ well then you have started taking mind altering drugs I guess.

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Do you know how long the odds are of finding an intellectual-minded woman who has nothing to say about something like this? I'm done casting pearls before swine, is all.

I like how you dodged the challenge, avoided conversation and the exchange of ideas, and insulted all at the same time.

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Again, I've no evidence or logic which would satisfy religious-style standards of proof that the Son of Krypton is not real, etc. etc.

Then again I'm afraid you are not really thinking.

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See, if a deity with powers surpassing those of an average person had laid down a moral code, and this deity were benevolent, you wouldn't have so much crap, oppression and contempt built into it, as your moral code does.

Love your neighbor as yourself, sacrifice for others and be willing to serve them, be humble, encourage virtue in yourself and others, reject the worldly ways of pursuing solely pleasure, power, and pride. Where do you find oppression and contempt here? Maybe it is your made up moral code of Nareed that has the real problems?

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The only advantage of your moral code over others, and I use the term "advantage" very loosely, is that by attributing it to a "perfect" entity, it liberates you from the necessity of thought and rational judgment.

Why do you say that when everything I strive to do and God requires of us is to use our rational judgment! God would never ask of us something that didn't correspond to our rational judgment.

Quote: FrGamble

You act as if there is some different standard for religious proof.

Because there is a different standard for religious proof. You can pull "facts" out of thin air and make assumptions that cannot be tested and are not falsifiable. You can also ignore actual facts not in accordance with your dogma. I'd have the same problem proving The Flash is not real to someone who believed he was, or proving a conspiracy theory wrong, or proving astrology invalid, etc.

BTW, Batman is real :P

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If you think that there existence is the same as the existence of Jesus Christ

They're all literary characters. you're just cognizant of the fact that the latter super heroes were purposefully invented for a benign purpose.

Hmm. Interesting story idea: Let's say someone travels back in time and meets disaster. Of the expedition, only a few pages from a Superman comic book remain. Then we see the present, where the Cult of Kal-El, Last Son of Krypton, is the dominant religion. There would even be some sort of group like "Jews for Superman." At the Fortress of Solitude in Rome, the cult's central temple, the miraculous pages of the comic book are preserved as holy relics., In Turin there is a Shroud of Superman, but many people believe the red cape to be a medieval era fake. And to this day, Kal-El scholars debate the meaning of the mysterious holy language in which Superman and Lex Luthor speak in the Holy Book.

Too bad DC Comics won't ever give permission for something like this...

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I like how you dodged the challenge, avoided conversation and the exchange of ideas, and insulted all at the same time.

Sometimes Less is More.

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Where do you find oppression and contempt here?

Your continued and total disenfranchisement of women, for one. Your continued patronizing contempt for LGBT people and Muslims and Jews, for another.

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Why do you say that when everything I strive to do and God requires of us is to use our rational judgment!

If I ever open a philosophically-based comedy club, I'll book your act.

Quote: Nareed

Hmm. Interesting story idea: Let's say someone travels back in time and meets disaster. Of the expedition, only a few pages from a Superman comic book remain. Then we see the present, where the Cult of Kal-El, Last Son of Krypton, is the dominant religion.

Oh, this can totally work.

Constantine and his troops run across the time machine blowing up high in the air on a clear day, and recover the comic book remains. This is clearly a miracle, right? A flash of lightning and roll of thunder on a clear day? Printed pages in color, showing astonishing feats by the god Kal-El and the lesser gods like Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen. Latin characters spelling unknown words in a different language, the language of the god!

Constantine paints the "S" on his men's shields and displays it on his labarum (battle flag), and the battle of the Milvian Bridge goes on as it did in our timeline. Once he's emperor, he institutes the Cult of Kal-El, after issuing the Edict of Milan granting official toleration to all religions.

I wonder how Ambrose will screw things up with Theodosius afterwards...

Back in the present, people wear the "S" and make the sign of the "S" in the air with their hands. Emeralds, taken to be Kryptonite, are cherished as relics of the god's home, and pulverized in sacrifice at the altar of the god. And I'd be hard pressed to prove Superman is not a god, and he likely never existed to begin with, against a certain Kal-Elist priest in this very board.

It's almost worth doing a bit of research and approaching DC Comics...