The Bible God or Kali

Quote: Evenbob

Original sin: "The doctrine of original sin holds that every person born into the world is tainted by the Fall such that all of humanity is ethically debilitated, and people are powerless to rehabilitate themselves, unless rescued by God."

What this says and what you said have nothing
to do with each other. Christians like Augustine
invented original sin to trap people into thinking
the only way out is thru the Christian god. It's
the snake oil salesman inventing the disease
so he can then sell the cure. It's not working
anymore because people are smarter than that
now. They see thru the charade.

So you think that people don't experience the difficulty in living ethically and can change themselves without help? I don't think you are correct. I think we are all keenly aware of the sickness and we run around trying to find the cure. If not through God then it might be through a bottle, a casino, porn, or many other ways. The smartest people see through the lie that we can fix ourselves or that we can wish away our struggles by saying things like, "I'm perfect just the way I am.", or "I give my own life meaning." People are smarter than that and they always have been. As human beings we have always recognized we need help; from each other and from a higher power.

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Quote: FrGamble

I think we are all keenly aware of the sickness and we run around trying to find the cure. If not through God then it might be through a bottle, a casino, porn,

Why do you always go right to the extremist
of extreme examples. There are 12 step
programs for those people, and they all
involve a 'higher power', which can be
anything you like. People rarely change
themselves, as you put it, they cope with
who they are. They get by one day at
a time.

And we do give our own lives meaning,
it doesn't come from the outside. You
decided to latch onto the Church. Who
did that if not you. There's no innate
meaning to life, there are billions of
them. Why can't you just be satisfied
with yours and quit trying make others
feel bad about their choices. Quit telling
them they're losers at birth, that they're
filthy sinners who need to be redeemed.
Want to really help somebody? Be their
friend, instead of the guy who scares
them into submission with threats of
eternal punishment for not living up
to some gods expectations.

Quote: Evenbob

Quit telling
them they're losers at birth, that they're
filthy sinners who need to be redeemed.
Want to really help somebody? Be their
friend, instead of the guy who scares
them into submission with threats of
eternal punishment for not living up
to some gods expectations.

I imagine you will understand Original Sin or sin when I understand atheism.

What I tell people is that they were made in God's image and likeness at birth filled with greatness and potential and that their ultimate destiny is to be happy forever in Heaven. I am their friend who promises them I will never judge them or condemn them, but will always forgive them. I will be with them and available to them at any time. I tell them they need not worry about eternal punishment because Jesus Christ has died for our sins, He has set us free, and that He accepts us for who we are and loves us unconditionally.

Quote: FrGamble

I am their friend who promises them I will never judge them .

Yet you judge people here all the time.
You just judged me in the thread about
how I live my life is 'horrible and
animalistic.' That's not judging me? You
tell Gays all the time that they can't have
sex with each other or they'll go to hell
for a mortal sin. More judgement. That's
all religious types do, is judge people.
That's why they're so unpopular.

Quote: Evenbob

That's
all religious types do, is judge people.
That's why they're so unpopular.

Nobody likes to be judged it is true.

Quote: FrGamble

Nobody likes to be judged it is true.

Nobody likes to be judged by people
so obviously flawed as the Catholic
Church, that's what's true. That's why
Jesus was crucified, he was charged
with being a public nuisance because
he couldn't keep his judgemental
mouth shut and people got sick of
him. 'Holier than thou' doesn't look
good on anybody.

Quote: FrGamble

[..]and that their ultimate destiny is to be happy forever in Heaven.

That's not a bad selling point, perhaps even given the exorbitant price of admission. The problem is that you don't publicize the nature and mechanics of heaven. That's apparently left to pop culture TV shows, comic books and movies.

Quote: Nareed

Quote: FrGamble

[..]and that their ultimate destiny is to be happy forever in Heaven.

The problem is that you don't publicize the nature and mechanics of heaven. That's apparently left to pop culture TV shows, comic books and movies.

The after life isn't even mentioned in
the OT, god punishes or rewards Jews
in the here and now, not after death.
It's a myth of the NT that heaven exists,
but they go into no details about it. The
Mormons expand on it somewhat, but
heaven is a very vague place because
it doesn't exist, of course. It's right next
to Santa's north pole workshop, and just
down the street from Nirvana.

'In most forms of Christianity, heaven is understood as the abode for the righteous dead in the afterlife'

Those righteous people have to go somewhere,
they get to hang out together for eternity,
slapping themselves on their self righteous
backs.

Quote: Evenbob

Nobody likes to be judged by people
so obviously flawed as the Catholic
Church, that's what's true. That's why
Jesus was crucified, he was charged
with being a public nuisance because
he couldn't keep his judgemental
mouth shut and people got sick of
him. 'Holier than thou' doesn't look
good on anybody.

Do not judge lest you yourself be judged. Take the beam from your own eye so you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. The measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. This is just a small collection of the sayings of Jesus and the early Christians about judging others.

I'm trying hard to ignore the vile blasphemy in your post but do you really think that they crucified the Lord because He annoyed them or they were sick of Him. Maybe what he said was true and that is what caused the most frustration to the people who were in charge and were judging everyone. Jesus came saying they should judge because they themselves were to be judged. It is ironic that you condemn Jesus for judging when He was in fact preaching against judgment. The problem is that for those who are wrong and know it their only response is that they are being unfairly judged. Your post above is proof of that.