The Bible God or Kali

Quote: Evenbob

Jesus would be appalled if could see the
history of the religion founded in his name.

I'm inclined to agree with you. Imagine what he thinks about the history of the secular world? It is a constant miracle and a sign of His great mercy that He hasn't returned yet to put an end to all this craziness.

Quote: Nareed

I'm not a historian and have never claimed to be. Just the same, I know this to be true. It's very well documented.

It might be well documented but it is very far from being true.

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While the Romans borrowed a great deal culturally from Greece, enough so that we're still a Greco-Roman civilization, their legal system, including limited government and checks and balances, has had an enduring influence on the world as I described previously.

Something constantly improved upon and as you mentioned not originally Roman in origin.

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Why are many fundamental legal terms still expressed in Latin?

Um...because Latin was the language of the intellectuals and because the Catholic Church kept the language alive and established its formal use through liturgies and universities. Did you think something different? Did you think that because the terms were still spoken in Latin that it was a direct connection back to the long defunct Roman Empire?

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Much more.

The imperfect borrowed but valuable law system of the non-existent Roman Empire is so far less important that Jesus Christ that they are not even in the same ballpark, maybe not even the same continent. I'll tell you what I'll see you a bridge to get there if you like, its pretty cheap...

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Yeah, if we can't explain something, we call it "God."

Eucharistic Miracles, miraculous healings attributed directly to God, the freeing of people possessed by demons by invoking the name of God, this is stuff we can easily explain using the reality of God.

Quote: Nareed

I'm adding "philosophy" to the list of words you keep using that don't mean what you think they mean.

I take it to mean someone who loves wisdom and objective truth and pursues it by asking honest, open, and important questions.

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Lemaitre was a remarkable man and scientist, despite his religious beliefs.

, because of his religious beliefs.

Quote: FrGamble

I'm inclined to agree with you. Imagine what he thinks about the history of the secular world? It is a constant miracle and a sign of His great mercy that He hasn't returned yet to put an end to all this craziness.

Would I be correct in assuming, that you believe there is some way that cancer benefits God or man?

Quote: FrGamble

Something constantly improved upon and as you mentioned not originally Roman in origin.

If you will demean everything that isn't 100% original, you should start with your own faith, which is a result of thousands of years of cultural evolution.

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Um...because Latin was the language of the intellectuals and because the Catholic Church kept the language alive and established its formal use through liturgies and universities.

Not even close.

The reason is that Latin remained the language of law, even in the Greek-speaking Byzantine empire. This was because jurisprudence existed almost solely in Latin. The Byzantine Orthodox church did not use Latin in tis liturgy, you know.

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The imperfect borrowed but valuable law system of the non-existent Roman Empire is so far less important that Jesus Christ that they are not even in the same ballpark, maybe not even the same continent.

You do know I can prove the Roman Empire existed, if we count the Republic and the Kingdom before it, from around 700 BCE to shortly before the renaissance, don't you?

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Eucharistic Miracles,

Do you think a piece of tasteless flat bread remaining a piece of tasteless flat bread is a miracle?

It would explain much if you do.

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miraculous healings attributed directly to God,

If we can't explain something we call it god.

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the freeing of people possessed by demons by invoking the name of God, this is stuff we can easily explain using the reality of God.

And I can explain your horoscope by using the reality of astrology. What's your point?

No I would say cancer is a cancer upon human existence. I do believe that God ultimately defeats cancer and gives us hope that it will never win as well as giving us the will to fight against it.

Quote: FrGamble

The truth is that what you consider a false myth is true

I don't even believe the average Christian thinks
it's true. That a god is watching their every
action, listening to their every thought, judging
them at every turn. I don't think they take any
of it seriously. I try and imagine what it would
be like if I believed in that god. I would be a
nervous wreck, saved or not. I would be constantly
worried that I wasn't living up to what god wanted
and I was doomed. I know lots of Christians and
none of them act like god is reading their thoughts
minute to minute. What they act like is somebody
told them Jesus has 'saved' them and that's their
ticket to ride. It's a myth to them, but a useful one,
so they play along.

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Why does time without any evidence lead you to atheism and not to belief in God?

Why does a lifetime of not seeing a single
unicorn or Leprechaun reinforce my belief
that they don't exist. I've said before that
if the god you describe existed, this world
would be an insane place. And it's not. At
all.

Quote: FrGamble

I'm inclined to agree with you. Imagine what he thinks about the history of the secular world

He's dead, he doesn't think anything.

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It is a constant miracle and a sign of His great mercy that He hasn't returned yet to put an end to all this craziness.

He's probably been reincarnated 14 times in
the last 2000 years, so he's already returned
many times. The 2nd coming myth, I don't
think you've ever mentioned that. Evangelicals
talk about it all the time. It might even need
it's own thread.

Quote: Evenbob

I would be a
nervous wreck, saved or not. I would be constantly
worried that I wasn't living up to what god wanted
and I was doomed. I know lots of Christians and
none of them act like god is reading their thoughts
minute to minute. What they act like is somebody
told them Jesus has 'saved' them and that's their
ticket to ride. It's a myth to them, but a useful one,
so they play along.

The beauty of Christ and our redemption is that He saves us from this worry that you are doomed. God loves you just the way you are, but too much to keep you there. He is constantly forgiving us and letting us know that there is nothing to fear. I assure you that Christians do not at all think salvation is a myth, but rather it is the greatest and most profound truth.

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Why does a lifetime of not seeing a single
unicorn or Leprechaun reinforce my belief
that they don't exist. I've said before that
if the god you describe existed, this world
would be an insane place. And it's not. At
all.

I have never seen a lot of things that I believe to exist. Again I ask you; is the only reason you don't believe in Leprechauns is because you never saw one?

also how would the world be an insane place if God exists, which of course He does.

Quote: Evenbob

He's dead, he doesn't think anything.

He is very much alive!

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The 2nd coming myth, I don't
think you've ever mentioned that. Evangelicals
talk about it all the time. It might even need
it's own thread.

This too is not a myth but a firmly held belief by Christians that the Lord will come again and make all things new and perfect at the end of time.