The Bible God or Kali
July 10th, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
I've had similar thoughts. The more I read, the more I believe that no religion has ever understood what God is, or what he wants, if anything. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
July 10th, 2016 at 2:12:07 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Maybe you should try reading the Bible. It's the number one book for turning people to atheism. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
July 10th, 2016 at 2:14:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
That's funny, I was just thinking that today as I was reading the long list of Church heresies. Some of them are beyond ridiculous and beyond understanding. It's almost like every Church generation from the 12th century on felt compelled to add some wacky heresy to the list. To me it shows no cohesion, no solidarity of thinking. Just ego driven bright men trying to one up each other in faking their understanding of a deity who obviously is totally absent. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 10th, 2016 at 7:57:15 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You know its funny I've had the same experience except in regards to my faith. It has been a really good experience for me and strengthening to my faith to have all these atheists unable to provide any logical reasons or evidence as to why they believe in no God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 10th, 2016 at 8:20:15 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Back at ya. It certainly hasn't changed my atheism that a priest has not one sliver of evidence that a god exists, let alone that we should put our faith in him. By your standard, we're just supposed to believe a mediocre rehashed myth in the NT really happened and just jump in with both feet when there isn't any evidence whatsoever that it's real. Why would anybody over the age of 6 do that, unless they were brainwashed from birth that it's valid. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 10th, 2016 at 8:29:18 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I can at least give you things that you reject as evidence. For example the historical person of Jesus Christ and His obvious, gigantic, and unique impact on the world, the logical fact that for there to be anything there needs to be a God to begin it all, something also pointed to by science. Then there is my own personal experience that I have had and continue to experience the reality of God's love in my life. There could be billions of other people that could testify to the same thing. There is also the unexplainable supernatural phenomenon. Then there is the truth that the teachings of the Christ continue to be so influential and important to discovering who we are as human beings and how we should live our lives. There is the practical fact that faith in Jesus Christ has helped countless people overcome personal problems that were destroying their lives. I know you have said none of this is evidence in your book, but at least its an attempt or something. I have heard nothing from you, Nareed, or anyone else as to what evidence or even logical reason they have for being so sure there is not a God. It sure looks like to me that you are the brainwashed one. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 10th, 2016 at 8:44:38 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Too bad none of it is really evidence that a god exists. It's evidence for lots of things, but just not that.
I'm afraid lack of real evidence is all I have. I use it for a lack of belief in other things as well. Unicorns, leprechauns, space alien abductions, the Easter Bunny. Lack of real evidence is really all you need to be a non believer, you know.
You've said this before and I always ask you to give some examples of where I got brainwashed into atheism. I can give a dozen where a Christian gets it, but am stymied where my head could have been filled with atheistic ideas. Enlighten me. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 10th, 2016 at 10:56:47 PM permalink | |
Aussie Member since: May 10, 2016 Threads: 2 Posts: 458 | How does there being the historical person Jesus prove there is a god? All that proves is that there was someone by that name, around that time who was worshipped by a few people. There was the historic person Jim Jones too. He has as much claim to the title as any number of whack jobs over the years. |
July 11th, 2016 at 6:33:00 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Let's go with that. How about the much better documented historical persons of Gaius Julius Caesar and Gaius Caesar Augustus? they were both deified after their untimely deaths (and hey¡ One of them was assassinated by Romans!!), and they've had a much bigger influence on the world than Jesus. How? Simple. Much of the world runs on Roman-based law. That wouldn't have happened without these pushy gentlemen establishing an empire, which planted Roman law over Europe, the Mideast and Northern Africa. Later on Spain, France, Holland, Portugal and mostly Britain spread it to the rest of the world. If I were you, I'd ditch the cross and go shopping for laurel wreaths. BTW, since Augustus was Caesar's adoptive son, and Caesar was a god, then Augustus was both a god and the son of god.
If science pointed towards it, most scientists would be religious rather than atheist. In particular this would be true among physicists and cosmologists, who spend much of their time thinking about the most intimate nature of the universe and the Big Bang. And this is where you find the most atheists, for whom "God" is a mere figure of speech.
How many more billions would "testify" about subjective feelings to other gods, or no gods? This is like saying chocolate is the best because you like it. And everyone knows Coffee is the Best :)
If we don't know what something is, let's call it "God."
It's said that people begin repeating themselves when they're intellectually spent. I'm not sure what it means when people repeat themselves in the same paragraph. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
July 11th, 2016 at 12:47:41 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Indeed. I 'point' to Asimov, Hawking, Sagan, and Einstein. Four of the most well known minds of the 20th century and they were all atheists. They didn't beat the drum about it, they were just quiet and steadfast all their lives that there was no god. I'd rather use these men as examples than big mouths like Bill Maher and Ricky Gervais, but they all say the same thing. After looking at the total lack of evidence, no god is there. Who am I to argue with intellects like this. Who's likely right, Asimov or Pat Robertson. Einstein or Billy Graham. I mean, c'mon.. Asimov published over 500 books, the vast majority were on science. You would think in all those decades of being a well published scientist, that if god was there, he would have stumbled across him in his research. But nope, the more he studied, the more convinced he became that god was an invention of man. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |