Hey FrGamble!

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Padre - the universe is rapidly expanding at a rate of approximately 68 to 82 kilometers per second per megaparsec

Is the universe expanding into God? Another universe created by God?

Good question and I don't know the answer. I think it is expanding into empty space.

If the BB actually happened, it makes no sense to me that there is no center of it, unless time doesn't exist.

https://www.livescience.com/62547-what-is-center-of-universe.html

If there was absolutely nothing prior to the BB, can you in your mind even imagine nothing? I can think of a time before the BB, and I can imagine the explosion. So even before the explosion there was my thought.

Quote: FrGamble

Good question and I don't know the answer. I think it is expanding into empty space.

So God just made some empty space? What is the empty space contained in?

Quote: FrGamble

Bob this quote was already used and showed to not make any sense.

Lots of things don't make any sense to you. It makes perfect sense. With so many Christians there's the odor a desperation coming from them. They want so badly for God to exist and they're so desperate for science to prove it. But it never will. You just have to accept the fact that all you have is faith. That used to be good enough, Faith was all you needed. Not anymore. There isn't a single shred of evidence that a God exists, and it drives Christians nuts.

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They want so badly for God to exist and they're so desperate for science to prove it. But it never will.

Besides the fact that God obviously exists you continue to speak the truth about the limits of our scientific knowledge. I tell you what iff you read Mere Christianity with an open mind I am sure you would become a believer. I am very serious about that!

Quote: FrGamble

Besides the fact that God obviously exists you continue to speak the truth about the limits of our scientific knowledge. I tell you what iff you read Mere Christianity with an open mind I am sure you would become a believer. I am very serious about that!

God exists if you need and want him
to. Otherwise he doesn't exist at all.
The fascinating thing is, you will never
see that because you were fed the
Kool Aid all your life and can't see
around it.

I read CS Lewis decades ago, once
was enough. He might be the
original Xtian Apologist. His thing
was god sits outside of space/time
and rules the world with the morality
he invented. Ridiculous.

He was also an anti sex nut. He wrote
MC in 1952 at the height of sexual
repression in the US and GB. Where
in the UK you went to prison if
you were outed as Gay. Lewis was
even against sex in marriage, saying
it should be totally controlled and
subdued. Sounds like a guy who didn't
get laid much and wanted everybody
to be as miserable as he was. He was a
real fun guy..

Looking at pictures of him, he was no
babe magnet. Has sexual repression
written all over him.

Since you brought up CS Lewis,
I went and looked to see if I
was the only one who can't
stand him. Holy cow! Lots
of people hated his work.
They found his Narnia stories
to be full of bigotry, sexism,
and racism. Even his best
friend Tolkein found the Narnia
stories to be wanting:

"Many, including Lewis's best friend JRR Tolkien, found them (Narnia) incoherent, sentimental and unsatisfactory. The twin taints of racism and sexism attach to them – as they do to other Lewis works."

Just one of the reviews of Mere
Christianity:

Lewis has done Christianity a disservice with his book and jeopardized the freedom of those who resist. "Mere Christianity" proves nothing and simply muddies the waters for those searching for spiritual fulfillment. Presenting a belief system for consideration is certainly a legitimate pursuit, but attempting to drive it down throats with the cudgel of intellectual process is another matter and requires extraordinary proof. The book falls well short of the mark and must therefore be challenged.

That's how I felt when I read
it, like Lewis was pounding
it down my throat.

Truth has an annoying habit of feeling that way.

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Truth has an annoying habit of feeling that way.

So does total crap, which is mostly
what the story of Xtianity is. Lewis
had the habit of many of those who
were converted as adults. He was
insufferably smug about it. I have
a brother in law like that. He was
converted by his wife before they
married and now he's impossible
to be around.

He thinks the religion gives him
permission to set everybody else
straight on what's wrong with
their lives. And he'll tell you right
to your face. He's soooo self-righteous
and smug I want to punch him
in the face. Instead I just avoid him.
That's CS Lewis. His Narnia series
has been described as "Christian
arm twisting,"

No total crap doesn't gnaw at you and remain steadfast and consistent. I can ignore total crap, you have trained me well. It is wrestling with truth that causes people to hate guys like C.S. Lewis. They know that he is right and they are wrong and guys like him won't leave them alone about it. It is the same hate someone addicted has for the person that points out their addiction and they should change. Once they eventually change they realize that the annoying person they hated was the one who truly loved them.