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Hey FrGamble!
| May 13th, 2020 at 10:22:46 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Still not praying for you. Quit using prayer as a weapon, didn't your Jesus warn you about stuff like that? "when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly." Or does your version say 'Go out into the streets and brag about your praying, inform all those you're praying about so they may be eternally grateful to you." You use prayer like it's a sword you can stick in people at will. If prayer really worked you wouldn't have to continually inform people that you're doing it, it would be obvious from the results you get. But there are no results because there is no god. You secretly know this so you take matters into your own hands. Look at yourself for a change.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| May 13th, 2020 at 5:13:22 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 | Christians have no idea how much it pisses off atheists when you tell them that you're praying for them. Praying costs you nothing, takes almost no effort, yet Christians act like they're giving you some great gift that you are supposed to be rapturously grateful for. What they're really doing is puffing themselves up in great conceit saying, look what I'm doing for you. Look what a caring wonderful person I am that I would pray for you. Even the New testament says keep your prayers to yourself, do it in a closed room, nobody wants to hear what a wonderful person you are that you are praying for everyone. Keep that crap to yourself. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| May 14th, 2020 at 4:43:52 PM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 5748 |
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| May 15th, 2020 at 6:18:03 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 | My devoted Christian friend just posted this:  Notice how the there is no evidence to back up their claim that God is timeless (or that God even exists) - it is mere supposition and their "view" |
| May 15th, 2020 at 9:27:51 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Of course. It's a meaningless gesture meant to make the praying person look like they really care and are sacrificing something when they're in reality just bloating up their ego. Look at me, I'm asking god to do something for you, ain't I great? Would mean something if they said they were donating $100 to my favorite charity, but that actually does involve something real so it never happens. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| May 16th, 2020 at 2:45:55 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Hawking is a brilliant astrophysicist but it looks like he is a really bad philosopher. Why would causation need to happen in time? In fact the very argument for the first cause points out that matter, energy, space, or time did not exist. He is not being logical and your friend is right it is a theology 101 question. The evidence is in the logic of the first cause. It is like you are asking for evidence that the circle is not a square. God by necessity is timeless as well as other things such as being spiritual and all-powerful. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| May 16th, 2020 at 9:43:51 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
I'm trying to stay away from these discussions, but good grief. 'God by necessity' means that for the fairy tale myth to work god has to be whatever the storyteller wants him to be. Not only can Superman fly, he can leap a building in a single bound! God is everything you can dream up that you want him to be. Quit pretending he's anything but a figment of your trained imagination. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| May 16th, 2020 at 9:56:59 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Exactly - it is only a necessity for those who believe there is a God |
| May 16th, 2020 at 10:18:32 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Making stuff up around the belief in gods is half the fun of it. Look at any of the gods in history and there's a ton of made up fantasies. The Xtion god is no different. Thankfully the world in moving into the era of science and away from the primitive supernatural crap that never did anybody any good. Hopefully not one more woman will be killed because some god religion thinks she's a witch. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| May 16th, 2020 at 10:59:38 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
God is necessary for there to be anything in existence. Think about it for a second. Use any or all the examples I have already given. An actual infinite regress is impossible and something that comes into existence cannot come from nothing. These two truths are enough for you to realize that there must be some all-powerful non-material cause of the universe, which we commonly call God. This alone is not my understanding of God and you are welcome to disagree with me about the nature of God, is God personal, loving, intelligent, etc. However, what you can't disagree with is the logic that given that there are contingent material things that exist in time and are moving therefore there must be a cause of these things that is a supernatural non contingent reality that is outside of time and space. There is no other option, at least not that I have heard. You are welcome to present another explanation. Again at this level the discussion is not about religion at all. It is simply philosophical truth, science, and logic. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |