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May 4th, 2020 at 9:32:12 PM permalink
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596	Quote: Evenbob In the Vatican? There is art from all over the world in the Vatican. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (

May 5th, 2020 at 4:33:14 AM permalink
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 5748	Quote: FrGamble There is art from all over the world in the Vatican. Skipped over the incongruity of the Vatican owning BILLIONS of dollars worth of hidden artwork while there is widespread hunger in Africa? Lack of clean water? Etc.....

May 5th, 2020 at 4:57:51 AM permalink

Tanko

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Quote: Evenbob
So many white people. Is there any paintings in the Vatican that have people of color in them? I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

There are people of color in Michaelangelo’s Last Judgement, which shows only white people being cast into hell.

At the bottom right is Biagio di Cesena, a Papal official, who complained about the nudity in Michaelangelo’s Sistine Chapel paintings. In this painting, Michaelangelo painted him condemned to hell with a snake biting his crotch to hide his nudity.

When Biagio complained to the Pope, he was told “My authority doesn’t extend to hell.”

May 5th, 2020 at 5:32:43 AM permalink
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596	Quote: SOOPOO Skipped over the incongruity of the Vatican owning BILLIONS of dollars worth of hidden artwork while there is widespread hunger in Africa? Lack of clean water? Etc..... I answered you, it's in this thread I think. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (

May 5th, 2020 at 7:27:31 AM permalink
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019	Quote: SOOPOO Skipped over the incongruity of the Vatican owning BILLIONS of dollars worth of hidden artwork while there is widespread hunger in Africa? Lack of clean water? Etc..... Padre answered it but, it was an answer we all could have predicted

May 5th, 2020 at 9:06:32 AM permalink

Evenbob

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Quote: aceofspades
Padre answered it but, it was an answer we all could have predicted

Of course. The Vatican has been
plagued with this question for
a long long time and they have
a rote answer that priests are
probably taught in their first
year in seminary.

FrG: Oh Bob, you couldn't be more
wrong. Where do you get this
stuff from? You know nothing about
my Church.

Whatever...

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

May 5th, 2020 at 12:16:39 PM permalink
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019	We don't need no stiinkin' face masks and social distancing

May 5th, 2020 at 12:19:38 PM permalink
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978	Quote: aceofspades We don't need no stiinkin' face masks and social distancing God always protects his own. I'm sorry, I couldn't even write that with a straight face.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

May 5th, 2020 at 4:01:01 PM permalink

SOOPOO

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Quote: FrGamble
First of all I think we need to be more realistic about what Billions of dollars would do. Please remember that the Catholic Church is the single largest charitable organization on the face of the earth. The vast majority of its art is on display and not only in free museums but in its Churches open to all people. Art is not meant to be sold but admired and meant to inspire. That is its purpose and the purpose for which it was created and given to the Vatican. Beauty is a way in which we can all, rich or poor, encounter the divine.

That being said I do think the Church should always be held to a higher standard and everything it does should be about serving humanity with a special attention to the materially poor. We also need to serve the spiritually poor. I was struck by Mother Teresa's comment when she visited America and remarked that she had never before seen such poverty. Poverty of spirit. Art is a way to reach the spiritual poor and lift there souls to remind them there is something more than this life and to inspire them to love God and love others.

Finally, I need to say, and I think you already know this, that it is a big mistake to say that the life of a priest is cushy. Even some of my brothers who I believe could live much more simply are by no means living what anyone would call a cushy life. The vast majority of priests outside of the first world live heroic lives of service and poverty. I wonder if the right question is not are priests doing enough? Or is the Vatican doing enough? Because even if they gave everything away and stripped the museums and Churches of all the art it wouldn't be enough to feed all the hungry for one day. The question to ask is if all of us are doing enough? There is more than enough food for everyone to eat, the really tough question is why are so many people starving?

I missed this post. As far as what billions of dollars could do? I'll let someone else tell me how many fresh water wells could be drilled. How many acres of land could be tilled with some machinery. How many teachers could be hired.
I din't say sell all the art. I had a tour of the Vatican which included rooms filled with unopened art. The guide named the artist, and mentioned some have not been opened for many decades. Billions is a starting point. How about just selling the art which hasn't been on display during your life?
The life of a priest is not cushy compared to an American millionaire. But it is compared to easily over 90% of the poor in Africa we are discussing.
You underestimate the wealth of the Vatican. And overestimate the cost to feed the hungry. The Vatican could sell a few billion, and just use interest on it to establish a NEVER ENDING source of money for the poor.
People are starving because the food producers want to be paid for the food. The Vatican could pay them with the proceeds from the art.

I am NOT saying that the Vatican could solve all the world's problems. I am saying, as you asked, that they are not doing enough. And it looks so bad that they have all the opulence packaged away in their basement. I may not be doing enough. But I do not purport to be doing the Lord's work.

May 5th, 2020 at 4:30:49 PM permalink

Evenbob

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Quote: SOOPOO

I am NOT saying that the Vatican could solve all the world's problems. I am saying, as you asked, that they are not doing enough. .

The Church's wealth cannot be
calculated. They own 240,000
sq miles of land in the world
and everything that sits on it.
Embassies, churches, cathedrals,
monasteries, schools, convents,
apartment and office buildings,
you name it. In some cities in
EU they own entire city blocks.
So would you if you'd been
actively acquiring property by
any means possible since 300AD.

The Holy See has a metric ton of
gold in the Vatican. But that's
nothing compared to the literally
priceless art and artifacts stored
in the Vatican. So much stuff they
have no idea the extent of it.
Many things acquired in the 19th
century have not been inspected or
cataloged yet. Just the books and
manuscripts alone would be in
the billions. How would you put a price
on the Sistine Chapel.

Religion pays good. Real good. Just
like Jesus intended. What a joke that
is.. You have to respect the Buddhist
monastaries in Asia that own nothing.
They live on donated land and every
day at the same time go and beg for
their daily food. Which is closer to
what Jesus taught, them or the Catholic
Church. And Buddhists worship no god.

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

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