Gay Marriage

Quote: AZDuffman

Classic manliness is either looked down upon these days or else thought to be "out of style." One college somewhere wants to make the phrase "Man Up" banned hate speech same as ethnic slurs. While few men know how to do all trades around a home (plumbing, electrical, carpentry, welding, auto repair, masonry, etc.) how many men these days can't even start to tell you how to do *any* of them? I'm not talking do the work of a master craftsman, I am just talking about adding a faucet, replacing a switch, change your oil, whatever.

Don't know how I missed this post earlier, but I totally agree. These days, it's no longer "cool" to be a man. In the strange world of liberals, men try to be women, while women try to be men.

Case in point. Take a look at Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes. If their names weren't in the photo, would anyone really be able to tell which one is male and which is female????

Bakery Will Stop Making Wedding Cakes After Losing Discrimination Case Filed By Gay Couple

Remember how gays were sanctimoniously defending the rights of private businesses:
...after A&E dumped Phil Robertson?
...after Mozilla dumped Brendan Eich?
...and after HGTV dumped the Benham brothers?

The case against the bakery proves how hypocritical these people and their supporters are.

Doesn't a business have the right to refuse service to anyone? What is the hook on this particular case?

Quote: chickenman

Doesn't a business have the right to refuse service to anyone? What is the hook on this particular case?

It looks like they have decided that this is similar to refusing service to someone because they are black.

Quote: Dalex64

It looks like they have decided that this is similar to refusing service to someone because they are black.

That is the logic but it is faulty. They should be able to say, "sorry, we do not carry that product line." The photographer should be allowed to say, "sorry I choose not to bid on this job."

I have the perfect way to use the court system against the matter but nobody would have the guts to try it.

Quote: chickenman

Doesn't a business have the right to refuse service to anyone?

+1

Quote: Dalex64

It looks like they have decided that this is similar to refusing service to someone because they are black.

Funny, that argument didn't seem to work for Phil Robertson, Brendan Eich, the Benham brothers, etc. And that's ironic because—unlike race or sexual preference—freedom of religion is actually guaranteed in the Constitution.

Then again, who am I kidding? Libs don't care much for the Constitution.

So by absurd extension a gay couple counts cards at blackjack in a casino and can't get the "sorry, your play is too strong for us but you are welcome to play any other game..."? That just doesn't seem fair. Oh, nevermind ;-)

Quote: Beethoven

Bakery Will Stop Making Wedding Cakes After Losing Discrimination Case Filed By Gay Couple

Remember how gays were sanctimoniously defending the rights of private businesses:
...after A&E dumped Phil Robertson?
...after Mozilla dumped Brendan Eich?
...and after HGTV dumped the Benham brothers?

The case against the bakery proves how hypocritical these people and their supporters are.

A&E, Mozilla, and HGTV didn't have to dump those people. They could have continued broadcasting with those people on board, and it was pressure to remove them for fear of revenue loss that they were removed.

My wife and I have this argument frequently, as she is in that industry and doesn't want to sell her product to gay couples either. My response to her is that the items representing a wedding are not necessary for the wedding. A wedding cake is not instrumental to a wedding, and neither are dresses, reception halls, booze, catering, limo rentals, etc. Therefore, your refusal to sell an item to a "gay" couple is discrimination under the law and is akin to refusing to sell/rent/cater to people based on their colour (oh no, I can't support interracial marriage), age (he's 70 and she's 23, no!), disability (he's in a wheelchair), religion (they're Muslim!), national origin (she's from Japan!), and now gender (they're gay! she was a guy!).

If a company selling wedding cakes could get away with this, then the next thing you know, a McDonald's employee would have the right to not serve Big Macs to a gay couple either. The slippery slope runs both ways.

Churches are really the only exception to this, because marriage to them is defined in the holy books as between one man and one woman. I see the next line in the sand to be drawn to religious institutions who rent out their space to public events (like a gymnasium, meeting room, etc) being forced to host a gay wedding, but at this point, and for a very long time, religious institutions have the right to refuse to perform services to non-members of their clergy. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Quote: boymimbo

If a company selling wedding cakes could get away with this, then the next thing you know, a McDonald's employee would have the right to not serve Big Macs to a gay couple either. The slippery slope runs both ways.

Not exactly. A wedding cake is a customized product. From the writing to the little plastic bride and groom on top. The cake decorator should be free to say, "here is what I design, I do not carry two grooms or two brides as decoration." A Big Mac, OTOH, is a standardized product. If you walk into a McDonald's and say, "I want three all-beef patties" they will not make it because they do not carry it.

As to churches, the lawsuits are on the way, just a matter of time. And the left and the media will side with the gays who "just want a religious ceremony."

That's quite a bit different than saying "I won't serve you because it's a gay marriage". I am absolutely positive that if that is the only thing (two brides as decorations) is the top of the cake, the couple would just go to the local Walmart and buy two male / female figures to put on top of the cake and even give hat to the decorator to throw on top of the cake. Hopefully the Walmart employee won't put the connection together that the two figures are for a gay wedding and refuse to sell it to them.

Of course the cake decorator is free to tell them that certain cakes they will not do... a decorator for example might not have the skill to make good layered cakes or won't make an ice cream wedding cake as they don't have the freezer facility to make it, or they might not have certain colours of icing.

I think you made my point, but it goes beyond that. In New Mexico, a wedding photographer must provide its services to all, including same-sex couples. Now of course, according to the lawsuit, they must provide the service, but are within their first amendment rights to say that they oppose same sex marrriage. So, if I'm the provider, I can say that I don't like to provide the service to same-sex couples but must, and if that doesn't push away the service, so be it.