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Quote: odiousgambit

I had no doubt all along that the cop was on the receiving end of some infuriating behavior. I wondered even if we might find that the guy struggled in a way that was quasi-resisting-arrest, you know, struggling and hitting ...

no sir, does not excuse shooting the guy [although if you went back far enough in time more people might accept that a cop just shoots someone running away - such had its day]

My issues is that it may be possible that the cop was totally following accepted procedure. Now if that procedure is justified is another story. But the guy clearly had an issue as he ran from the car and clearly had other issues via the stories when asked to produce insurance.

Secondly, another issue is I feel the cop is going to be the victim of the media and race industry to "get a scalp" after all the recent times they tried to prove "racism" and losing. They have been pushing a meme about white cops just shooting blacks. The new tape shows at the least the guy was running from a simple traffic stop. I ask anyone here, how many people do you know that would do that?

Quote: AZDuffman

The new tape shows at the least the guy was running from a simple traffic stop. I ask anyone here, how many people do you know that would do that?

Shooting people running away in the back at a traffic stop. How can you complain about tyranny of too much government control?

That's fairly tyrannical. That's how the secret police of different countries handle things.

No trial or jury.

Quote: rxwine

Shooting people running away in the back at a traffic stop. How can you complain about tyranny of too much government control?

That's fairly tyrannical. That's how the secret police of different countries handle things.

No trial or jury.

It was no longer a traffic stop when he ran. I asked on Day 1 why he was out of the car for a traffic stop. Well, I was right there--he was running from the law. Now I ask why he ran from a traffic stop?

BTW: Secret Police do not handle things this way, they knock in the middle of the night.

Quote: AZDuffman

It was no longer a traffic stop when he ran. I asked on Day 1 why he was out of the car for a traffic stop. Well, I was right there--he was running from the law. Now I ask why he ran from a traffic stop?

BTW: Secret Police do not handle things this way, they knock in the middle of the night.

Running away is not a capital offense. Again, tyranny at its finest.

Who says, the secret police couldn't shoot you at a traffic stop? I'm generalizing. They have many options.

Quote: rxwine

Running away is not a capital offense. Again, tyranny at its finest.

Don't talk silly. It is not a "capital offense." However, the law is allowed to use force to subdue a suspect who is resisting or/and fleeing. If the guy had not run things would have ended differently. Same as if Martin had not attacked Zimmerman and same as if Michael Brown had not attacked the cop who told him not to walk in the middle of the road. Do you see the pattern here? The pattern is that all of them took multiple positive action to put themselves in harms way. None were "innocents."

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Who says, the secret police couldn't shoot you at a traffic stop? I'm generalizing. They have many options.

Could they? Of course. My point is that real secret police have better options.

The cops fired him. That says something about what they think of his actions.

if the suspect was known to be 'armed and dangerous' I suspect that maybe - maybe - the cop's actions would have been seen in a different light. Otherwise training today pretty much forbids deadly force, it was yesteryear when a cop might just say he determined on his own a suspect was too dangerous to take a chance on getting away.

Quote: link

Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

That ruling sounds reasonable to me.

I mean, someone could report their car stolen, when they don't know their kid and his friends borrowed it, trying to keep it a secret.

You have the police out looking for the "felons" already on extreme edge. Clueless 16 or 17 year olds may run. Tall kids look like adults. Who knows. It's going to be dangerous enough for them if they are stopped.

I've seen kids messing with traffic cones start running when the police showed up. It doesn't take a major crime.

Quote: rxwine

I've seen kids messing with traffic cones start running when the police showed up. It doesn't take a major crime.

That is hardly the same as a grown man who was stopped in traffic and knew he had his info ran through SCMODS.

Quote: rxwine

I've seen kids messing with traffic cones start running when the police showed up. It doesn't take a major crime.

That is hardly the same as a grown man who was stopped in traffic and knew he had his info ran through SCMODS.