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July 19th, 2020 at 1:22:46 AM permalink
Shrek
Member since: Aug 13, 2019
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Quote: Wizard
A complaint has been filed for false quoting. Here is how I'm going to handle this. Shrek will have an opportunity to provide evidence that Gandler has endorsed said position about micro-chipping. He may also choose to apologize for misrepresenting Gandler's position, if he so chooses. He may make any statement he wishes, or none at all.

If evidence is provided that Gandler has promoted micro-chipping, then Gandler will be on the hook for making a false accusation.

This is essentially a coaches challenge. Somebody will get suspended. The ball is in Shrek's court to justify his statement.

I don't see how this is fair to me though. The guy has written over 1,400 posts. I'm supposed to sift through 1,400+ posts to find the one in question? I doubt that any member on this board (including you) takes notes on who said what and when they said it.

Plus you're forgetting that members can edit their posts at any time. I have no idea when he said it, but HE does. And he can edit out that information whenever he wants. Heck, I bet it's been edited out already. I honestly don't have the time or desire to go through 1,400+ posts to find evidence that's probably been deleted.

It's your board so do whatever you feel is necessary (and I'm man enough to accept it), but I think it's unfair for me to go on a wild goose chase looking for evidence that's probably been scrubbed from the record.
July 19th, 2020 at 1:51:31 AM permalink
Shrek
Member since: Aug 13, 2019
Threads: 5
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Quote: Wizard
A complaint has been filed for false quoting. Here is how I'm going to handle this. Shrek will have an opportunity to provide evidence that Gandler has endorsed said position about micro-chipping. He may also choose to apologize for misrepresenting Gandler's position, if he so chooses. He may make any statement he wishes, or none at all.

If evidence is provided that Gandler has promoted micro-chipping, then Gandler will be on the hook for making a false accusation.

This is essentially a coaches challenge. Somebody will get suspended. The ball is in Shrek's court to justify his statement.


*Here's a post by him praising China's surveillance: http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/3093/9/#post128760

Quote: snippet from Gandler (bold red by me)
China does have some pluses such as surveillance systems that encourage good behavior and track personal actions.

I am not against such a systems, casinos do the exact same system of behavior tracking within the property. A government version of this could be good for society.

I don't have time to search through his other 1,400+ posts to look for the microchip quote (assuming that he didn't delete it already), but I've just provided evidence that he clearly supports the government tracking its citizens.

Also, why in the world would I fabricate something as petty & trivial as a microchip?? If I'm gonna make stuff up about others, then people should at least give me and my imagination more credit than that lol
July 19th, 2020 at 4:04:59 AM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
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Quote: Shrek
I don't see how this is fair to me though. The guy has written over 1,400 posts. I'm supposed to sift through 1,400+ posts to find the one in question? I doubt that any member on this board (including you) takes notes on who said what and when they said it.

Plus you're forgetting that members can edit their posts at any time. I have no idea when he said it, but HE does. And he can edit out that information whenever he wants. Heck, I bet it's been edited out already. I honestly don't have the time or desire to go through 1,400+ posts to find evidence that's probably been deleted.

It's your board so do whatever you feel is necessary (and I'm man enough to accept it), but I think it's unfair for me to go on a wild goose chase looking for evidence that's probably been scrubbed from the record.


http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/1986/632/#post142491


I will help you out.

Here is my post where I support a national ID and a linked biometric database.

Nowhere do I support microchiping. This is the closest that I ever get to the subject. Which seemed to trigger you at the time, and has since evolved into microchiping accusations in later posts (you have referenced this in a derogatory way quite a few times since I posted it so it clearly bothers you)....



I assure you I have not edited anything about microchipping Americans out of any of my posts.... Nor will I...

First you accuse me of supporting Microchipping now you accuse me of editing.... "I have no idea when he said it, but HE does" .....

Also, you will not find any posts edited by me in the last 12 hours (I say 12, because I think I edited one yesterday to ADD to, not to delete stuff, I dont think I have ever deleted a post after posting, certainly nothing regarding microchiping)....
July 19th, 2020 at 4:18:26 AM permalink
Shrek
Member since: Aug 13, 2019
Threads: 5
Posts: 1269
Quote: Gandler
Nowhere do I support microchiping. This is the closest that I ever get to the subject. Which seemed to trigger you at the time, and has since evolved into microchiping accusations in later posts (you have referenced this in a derogatory way quite a few times since I posted it so it clearly bothers you)....

I assure you I have not edited anything about microchipping Americans out of any of my posts.... Nor will I...

First you accuse me of supporting Microchipping now you accuse me of editing.... "I have no idea when he said it, but HE does" .....

Also, you will not find any posts edited by me in the last 12 hours (I say 12, because I think I edited one yesterday to ADD to, not to delete stuff, I dont think I have ever deleted a post after posting, certainly nothing regarding microchiping)....

This is hilarious. You're the one who whined to the mods to get me suspended, yet I'm the one who's triggered? OK lol....

Heck, I can point out numerous times when people actually misrepresented something that someone else said (either intentionally or unintentionally), but nobody whined to the mods about it. They just ignored it and moved on with their lives. That's what mature people do. We don't have time to worry about what every anonymous internet poster says.

And no, I don't trust you when you say "I assure you I have not edited anything about microchipping Americans out of any of my posts". You've clearly been thinking about this for a while because you've been counting up the times I've talked about a microchip. I wouldn't be surprised if you edited your post a long time ago and were just waiting for the right time to try and get me suspended.

Little did you know that you forgot to edit other posts that share similar sentiments (like the China post that I found). I'm definitely not going to sift through the other 1,400+ posts of yours though. That's totally unreasonable to ask.

You should be suspended for this unnecessary drama, but of course it's the Wizard's decision, not mine. Anyway back to my block list you go. (I suggest you do the same)

Ciao!
July 19th, 2020 at 4:36:36 AM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
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Quote: Shrek
This is hilarious. You're the one who whined to the mods to get me suspended, yet I'm the one who's triggered? OK lol....

Heck, I can point out numerous times when people actually misrepresented something that someone else said (either intentionally or unintentionally), but nobody whined to the mods about it. They just ignored it and moved on with their lives. That's what mature people do. We don't have time to worry about what every anonymous internet poster says.

And no, I don't trust you when you say "I assure you I have not edited anything about microchipping Americans out of any of my posts". You've clearly been thinking about this for a while because you've been counting up the times I've talked about a microchip. I wouldn't be surprised if you edited your post a long time ago and were just waiting for the right time to try and get me suspended.

Little did you know that you forgot to edit other posts that share similar sentiments (like the China post that I found). I'm definitely not going to sift through the other 1,400+ posts of yours though. That's totally unreasonable to ask.

You should be suspended for this unnecessary drama, but of course it's the Wizard's decision, not mine. Anyway back to my block list you go. (I suggest you do the same)

Ciao!


I caused drama? I don't think you see the irony.... You routinely misrepresent people. This time it was just a bridge too far....
But, yes you were clearly upset with my national ID post..... (As you referenced it several times, well after the original post....)

The fact that you think I went back and edited a bunch of posts is silly....
I will offer additional help, there is a search feature on the top toolbar... You can enter a phrase like "Microchip" ...
July 19th, 2020 at 5:36:20 AM permalink
Dalex64
Member since: Mar 8, 2014
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Google has the site indexed as well, so you can do a Google search with one of the search terms being: site:diversity tomorrow.com
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
July 19th, 2020 at 6:10:40 AM permalink
Gandler
Member since: Aug 15, 2019
Threads: 14
Posts: 1744
Quote: Shrek
*Here's a post by him praising China's surveillance: http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/3093/9/#post128760

Quote: snippet from Gandler (bold red by me)
China does have some pluses such as surveillance systems that encourage good behavior and track personal actions.

I am not against such a systems, casinos do the exact same system of behavior tracking within the property. A government version of this could be good for society.

I don't have time to search through his other 1,400+ posts to look for the microchip quote (assuming that he didn't delete it already), but I've just provided evidence that he clearly supports the government tracking its citizens.

Also, why in the world would I fabricate something as petty & trivial as a microchip?? If I'm gonna make stuff up about others, then people should at least give me and my imagination more credit than that lol


This already happens in casinos. It has nothing to do with microchipping. It is facial recognition software (where if you have been in a casino in the last 5 years they probably already have you....)

But, yes I do support more public surveillance cameras, I am quite fond of the system in casinos....

CPB does this with plates at borders and at key points within the county to track movement of vehicles. Its only a matter of time before they do this with faces (I am sure some more secretive agencies already do without publishing it). And, I think that is a good thing for keeping tabs on people. As part of the defund the police movement BLM is demanding that GOOGLE and Microsoft not sell or help government LE agencies development facial recognition technology, this is more foolishness from BLM. I think it is good to track people who vandalize in public. In China they can issue a ticket for littering from cameras alone with nobody around and just send it to your account.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy-pia-cbp049-cbplprtechnology-december2017.pdf


But, anyway, this is all about surveillance in public areas. This is nothing to do with microchipping.... Also, its not petty or trivial, forcing microchipping is a huge policy, one that even the most authoritarian regimes have not taken.... (If it was trivial it would not upset you), nor would accusations of it upset me....
July 19th, 2020 at 11:15:48 AM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Shrek
I don't see how this is fair to me though. The guy has written over 1,400 posts. I'm supposed to sift through 1,400+ posts to find the one in question? I doubt that any member on this board (including you) takes notes on who said what and when they said it.

Plus you're forgetting that members can edit their posts at any time. I have no idea when he said it, but HE does. And he can edit out that information whenever he wants. Heck, I bet it's been edited out already. I honestly don't have the time or desire to go through 1,400+ posts to find evidence that's probably been deleted.

It's your board so do whatever you feel is necessary (and I'm man enough to accept it), but I think it's unfair for me to go on a wild goose chase looking for evidence that's probably been scrubbed from the record.


I know it's a lot to ask you to go through over 1,400 posts, looking for a needle in a haystack. The search feature should make easier, although I know it's not perfect.

Yes, fair point that the post could have been deleted.

However, at the end of the day, if you allege another member said something, you should quote the exact words in quote tags. Quoting is not a requirement, but if you are called out on paraphrasing, as you were, then you must provide evidence. Otherwise, anybody could say anybody said anything.

As to this particular alleged quote, it would be an understatement to say that forced micro-chipping is an extreme point of view that I doubt Gandler has. I believe his claim that he never said that and doesn't hold that position.

I do appreciate that you respect my authority in policing this site, even if you don't agree with it. I wish everybody had this maturity.

That said, my sentence is one week. You are welcome to use the week to search for the alleged post where Gandler said this.
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July 19th, 2020 at 11:55:51 PM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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I can't decide if this sounds fishy.

3 guys are going fishing Friday, and they all get beaten and shot dead.

I had to go look at an overseas source to find out where it happened in Florida. Basically, lateral to Tampa, but middle of the state. Lake Streety.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-friends-found-mysteriously-murdered-on-fishing-trip/ar-BB16UMwN?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

My guess would be something to do with moving drugs through Florida. Deal gone bad, and owed money and didn't pay?
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July 20th, 2020 at 1:37:56 AM permalink
Fleastiff
Member since: Oct 27, 2012
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Posts: 7713
Quote: rxwine
My guess would be something to do with moving drugs through Florida. Deal gone bad, and owed money and didn't pay?

Believed to be spontaneous act of one man approached a group who were not appropriately distant and masked, shots fired.
trying to track down further info.