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Quote: AZDuffman

Absentee ballots have been available for years. But see, they require effort. What the left wants is ballots mailed and returned unsecure for everyone.

Put simple, mail in and online are just an invitation to fraud. This is why the left wants them. Same reason they are scared to death of voter ID.

If people can go out to the grocery store now there is zero reason they cannot show up to vote in November.

Biggest worry is Biden not accepting the results if he loses.

Did you read your own article?

It says it is for deployed military personnel and people so severely disabled that they cannot leave the house. This is not a proposition for mail in or online voting for everyone... This is not for "lazy people" , this is for people that physically cannot vote in person due to extreme circumstances (again the two groups are deployed military and disabled).....

I know these are two groups conservatices like to limit from voting since they tend to vote left, but it's still pretty unpatriotic....

Quote: Mission146

The solution that I would propose for people who are not legitimately out-of-state or out of the country would be to simply give them a thirty-day window to vote in person at the County Board of Elections in the thirty days leading up to Election Day. I consider Voter ID laws to be completely reasonable, but then I similarly consider it reasonable that you give people who may not be able to get out on one very specific day the opportunity to vote. Some people can't stand or sit for prolonged periods of time, some people can't be out in the sun for long periods of time...etc.

We have absentee for this purpose already.

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Not sure how I feel about mail-in. I probably don't have a problem with it if a copy of the person's non-expired ID is included with the ballot. I could understand why some people would be opposed, kid fills out Grandma's ballot for her and what not.

Ask yourself if your mail has ever gone to the wrong house or gotten the wrong mail. That is just the most simple thing. As to requiring ID we will just hear that "minorities do not have access to a copy machine" and to have to pay for a copy is a "poll tax."

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Can you please explain what you mean more specifically? How would he not accept the results, and even if he didn't, want would his recourse be?

He would maybe pull an Algore and sue? Who knows, but somehow they ask Trump if he will accept them when they asked nobody this that I remember.

Quote: Gandler

Did you read your own article?

It says it is for deployed military personnel and people so severely disabled that they cannot leave the house. This is not a proposition for mail in or online voting for everyone... This is not for "lazy people" , this is for people that physically cannot vote in person due to extreme circumstances (again the two groups are deployed military and disabled).....

I know these are two groups conservatices like to limit from voting since they tend to vote left, but it's still pretty unpatriotic....

Where have you been? Liberals in Congress are pushing for 50-state mail-in ballots. CA just ordered it by dictator, er, governor executive order. It is the new Democrat Party dream.

As I said above, we have Absentee ballots now. They require effort, however. Democrat Voters cannot handle effort in the liberal mind.

Quote: AZDuffman

Where have you been? Liberals in Congress are pushing for 50-state mail-in ballots. CA just ordered it by dictator, er, governor executive order. It is the new Democrat Party dream.

As I said above, we have Absentee ballots now. They require effort, however. Democrat Voters cannot handle effort in the liberal mind.

That is not what your article is about:

"Delaware, New Jersey and West Virginia are planning to allow overseas military personnel and voters with disabilities to return their ballots electronically for elections this year amid concerns about voting during a pandemic. "

Quote: Gandler

That is not what your article is about:

"Delaware, New Jersey and West Virginia are planning to allow overseas military personnel and voters with disabilities to return their ballots electronically for elections this year amid concerns about voting during a pandemic. "

The point is the article shows the point why we should not rush to a general mail-in system. As well as dangers of online voting. Neither are a good idea.

Quote: AZDuffman

We have absentee for this purpose already.

I'm not sure that's true everywhere.

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Ask yourself if your mail has ever gone to the wrong house or gotten the wrong mail. That is just the most simple thing. As to requiring ID we will just hear that "minorities do not have access to a copy machine" and to have to pay for a copy is a "poll tax."

You can just use your normal identification, that doesn't make it a poll tax. If they're so worried about it, then they should start a fund to go and get people non-operators identification. A poll tax would be something that you go and pay when you vote, an identification has several other unrelated purposes, many of which are necessary.

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He would maybe pull an Algore and sue? Who knows, but somehow they ask Trump if he will accept them when they asked nobody this that I remember.

Al Gore wanted a recount of an individual decisive state that was not only close, but also had flaws in some of the ballots. If there's no single close state or couple of states that could swing the election via Electoral Votes, I don't know how an election could even be challenged.

Quote: AZDuffman

Biggest worry is Biden not accepting the results if he loses.

No worries, he won't last that
long. He'll be replaced very
soon.

Quote: Mission146

I'm not sure that's true everywhere.

I have never heard of a place it is not, though justification rules may vary.

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You can just use your normal identification, that doesn't make it a poll tax. If they're so worried about it, then they should start a fund to go and get people non-operators identification. A poll tax would be something that you go and pay when you vote, an identification has several other unrelated purposes, many of which are necessary.

Please tell the libs here the bolded part! I am saying they will say the cost to make the photocopy is a "poll tax" as they make one excuse after another for why we cannot have basic election security.

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Al Gore wanted a recount of an individual decisive state that was not only close, but also had flaws in some of the ballots. If there's no single close state or couple of states that could swing the election via Electoral Votes, I don't know how an election could even be challenged.

Close. He wanted a recount of just a few counties because he did not accept the results. But I am just asking because the liberals keep asking Trump the same thing.

Quote: AZDuffman

Absentee ballots have been available for years. But see, they require effort. What the left wants is ballots mailed and returned unsecure for everyone.

Put simple, mail in and online are just an invitation to fraud. This is why the left wants them. Same reason they are scared to death of voter ID.

If people can go out to the grocery store now there is zero reason they cannot show up to vote in November.

Biggest worry is Biden not accepting the results if he loses.

I just saw her (below) interviewed, so looked up an article

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in Oregon, the current Secretary of State, a Republican, said mail-in elections are indeed safe.

“I think after 20 years, we’ve proven that our system is very secure

She said in the interview, they have checks and balances on the system. And it's passed muster on challenges.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/a-20-year-history-of-success-gop-secretary-of-state-says-oregon-shows-mail-in-voting-is-secure-effective.html

Quote: rxwine

I just saw her (below) interviewed, so looked up an article



She said in the interview, they have checks and balances on the system. And it's passed muster on challenges.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/a-20-year-history-of-success-gop-secretary-of-state-says-oregon-shows-mail-in-voting-is-secure-effective.html

So they think it is safe. I doubt it. But I doubt even if it is safe it could be scaled. The number of voter rolls that need cleared out and the challenges to prevent clearing them alone show that.