Original Sin?

Quote: FrGamble

that it is the place where they await the Resurrection

They wait in the figuartive sense, like
a dead body waits for the coroner.
They're dead as doornails. I didn't
forget Sheol, there's nothing to
forget. It's a concept, not a real
place. You take everything sooo
literally.

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Remember it was about Claudius expelling the Jews because of Christus in around the year 50 AD. He seemed oblivious to this and it is fairly well know and documented.

You said something about errors
but I didn't see this part about 50ad.
I have no idea what you mean.
You think Ehrman is that easily
disqualified because you think
he made a technical error?
Really?

I've always had the hugest respect
for Isaac Asimov. I grew up reading
his books. He has an IQ that is off
the charts, they never had a proper
test for him. His view on religion:

"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time."

Sound reasoning.

Quote: Evenbob

I've always had the hugest respect
for Isaac Asimov. I grew up reading
his books. He has an IQ that is off
the charts, they never had a proper
test for him. His view on religion:

"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time."

Sound reasoning.

I agree that it is sound reasoning. He realizes that it would be hubris and illogical of him to state explicitly that there is no God (which by the way you do). He bases his atheism on emotion, which is the only thing atheism can base itself upon. I don't know his story, maybe you do. He might have had a horrible experience with some religion or religious person, he might have gone through some personal tragedy or illness that led him to emotionally think God doesn't exist. With people so honest and so hurting I have a lot of compassion and understanding.

Quote: FrGamble

I don't know his story, maybe you do.

He's a Jew who as a really smart
kid realized there was no god.
He even refused to have his
bar mitzvah. He believes there
is no god, he just has no proof,
like you have no proof there is
one. You base your stance on
pure unbridled emotion.

I understand how emotion plays
a part in atheism. If you were
raised in a god religion, like
Asimov was, when you realize
the truth you have an emotional
reaction that can last a lifetime.
My ex priest friend was like that
for a long time. After spending
12 years of his life being bamboozled
by the Church, he had a gut
emotional reaction that lasted for
decades. Even at 86 he says he's
still embarrassed to his core that
he let himself be so naive.

I have no emotion connected to
atheism, I was raised with no
feeling about religion at all. So
atheism was no surprise when I
realized I was one.

Don't kid yourself, you have a very emotional response to atheism and religion. So emotional in fact that it blinds you from seeing facts, evidence, logic, history, and when you are wrong.

Quote: FrGamble

Don't kid yourself, you have a very emotional response to atheism and religion.

I truly don't, you have no idea.
I never think about it unless
I'm talking to you. I can be
around my wife and her super
religious family and have no
emotion at all other than
amusement. I see the need
for religion in a lot of people,
it's something they have to
evolve out of on their own.
You can't push them. Just
tolerate them.

I think the same thing as atheists. They already know there is more to life then meets the eye. We feel it in our hearts and souls that life is amazing and not some cosmic accidental mistake. We feel it in art, poetry, literature, and deep thinking. We believe in eternal justice and that good and love wins in the end. Atheists know that it is not an intellectual position and that it is often based on their own desires and emotional issues. You can't push people out of that, but you can be compassionate, understanding, and help explain where their philosophy and thinking are wrong.

Quote: FrGamble

I think the same thing as atheists. They already know there is more to life then meets the eye. .

To jump from that to one of
the institutionalized versions
pf some god is a giant leap
indeed. It's a Grand Canyon
leap. It's the lazy way, the lean
back just blame a god for
everything way. Humans are
innately lazy. Don't understand
what causes sickness, or babies
being born dead, or cows drying
up, or where lightening comes
from, or if the sun really circles
the earth? Or a million other
things? Just invent some god
and blame it all on him instead
of figuring out the real answers.
God is the last answer to any
question you have, never the
first answer. In fact it's never
the answer at all.

Heard something humorous. Was watching
a history of NYC video and a Methodist preacher
came to New York City in the early eighteen
hundreds and witnessed immigrants playing
cards and having a good time in one of the
tenements. They were not gambling, just
passing the time. The minister was distraught
and dismayed and decided New York City
needed the First Methodist Church. I believe
Methodist's in those days were against everything
recreational. Dancing, singing, card playing. If it
felt good and made you happy it had to be against
god's will. When photography was invented
they were not even allowed to smile in the
photographs for fear that someone might think
they were not a serious god-fearing person.

This is just another example of organized religion
thinks it has all the moral answers and does not
want you thinking for yourself. You might just goof
off and play cards with your friends because it
feels good. One step closer to hell, you are.

The question has been answered. The
famous priest, Jonathon Morris, who
quit the priesthood 2 years ago, is
not Gay. He married a woman and
is living happily everafter.

If what the pope says is true, that
as many as 60% of priests worldwide
are Gay, Morris must have been sick
to death of being constantly hit
on by other priests. He's a very
handsome guy and he finally
did the right thing. Got out and
rejected the Vatican. Now he can
lead a normal life, going to a
Protestant church with his lovely
new wife.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/style/she-married-the-priest.html