Original Sin?
November 18th, 2019 at 11:58:21 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Another story: In the 1st century a small group of men and women were disciples for three years during the public ministry of a Jewish man named Jesus. He spoke with such authority, challenged the religious leaders of the day, and performed miracles such that He was eventually put to death by crucifixion. Three days later He rose from the dead and appeared to His followers who were so moved and inspired that they spread the Good News that this man was indeed the incarnate God who came to save us from our sins and death. They were laughed at and driven from town to town and all of them besides one was eventually martyred for their belief in Jesus. 2,000 years later Christianity is the largest religion on earth and a prayerful relationship with Christ has proven to dramatically change the lives of those who believe. Because now experience and faith has proven the invisible to be true. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 18th, 2019 at 12:06:06 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Prove it. Even your own pope is quoted as saying it was a spiritual rising, not a physical one. The truth is, the only thing that arose was urban legend and myth. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 18th, 2019 at 12:37:09 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | When I read that article about the pope saying it was a spiritual rising and not a physical one, it made more sense. It would be much easier on today's priests/ pastors etc. if they would quickly latch onto that and quit trying to defend the physical rising. If modern Jesus religions are going to succeed at all they need to develop more modern tactics, and quit defending those ancient claims that are silly now. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
November 18th, 2019 at 12:53:37 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
They need to move out of the supernatural and superstitious and into the spiritual. Quit having Jesus being born to a virgin, doing magic tricks, and rising from the dead. All that has been debunked by science as an impossibility because it goes against unbreakable natural law. Even if a god existed, he would have to operate within the laws of physics. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 18th, 2019 at 1:39:19 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Since God who created the natural laws you speak of does exist, surely who could suspend them or break them when He wills. A bodily and glorious Resurrection is the much more resonable explination to the miracle of Christianity and its spreading influence. Think about the difference between some spiritual appearance and its effect versus Jesus as clearly relayed in the Gospels and preached by the Pope. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 18th, 2019 at 2:38:47 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
If life were a Marvel comic book, where Superman can fly and see thru walls and has super strength. God is just a Biblical invented superhero that can break the laws of physics at will. And he's every bit as real as Superman. If god were real, he would be ruled by the laws of physics just like everything else is. That's why science will never prove his existence, or Superman's. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 18th, 2019 at 3:10:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
The pope has yet to deny he said it was a spiritual rising. "There is no clear denial, no demand that Scalfari correct his article or retract it, and no denial by the Pope himself. . . .Pope Francis apparently has yet to publicly upbraid Scalfari, correct the record, or ask that Scalfari’s articles be taken down." Why is that. Parts of Xtionity have believed in was a non physical rising right from the start. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 18th, 2019 at 3:36:36 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Can you explain how you logically arrive at such a conclusion? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 18th, 2019 at 8:32:22 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Because there isn't a scintilla of evidence that anything exists outside the laws of physics, except in peoples imaginations. And science doesn't use imagination, it's uses provable facts. Organized religion is just a bunch of adults playing the game 'pretend'. Lets pretend something is true, and to us it will be. Like that grinning nun on the cooking show, pretending. She reminded me of the car dealer salesperson who wins best of the month every time. Friendliest happiest guy you'll ever meet. It's all an act to sell cars. That's the nun, it's an act, a part she plays. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 18th, 2019 at 10:22:55 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Does your imagination use provable facts? Where does it come from? What about the miracle of life itself? Are you not paying attention to your own atheist thread? Also you said a universe that is created can't be random, why? You've also said many times that the universe follows unbreakable natural laws. Do you see that you might need to think about this a little more? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |