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| June 17th, 2026 at 5:52:37 AM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 30 Posts: 5449 |
Good Luck. Even if they got the most amazing deal in history that was far better than Obama's, it would not have been worth it. But, it's not even close, we are getting a pure joke of a "deal." https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/iran-deal-includes-300-billion-fund-more-than-half-which-already-committed-2026-06-16/ "Iran deal includes $300 billion fund, more than half of which already committed, source says" I can't wait to see how Republicans spin Trump starting a crowdfunding pot for Iran AND releasing frozen assets.... Like what????..... Sad.... |
| June 17th, 2026 at 10:34:56 AM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 30 Posts: 5449 | Trump is pivoting hard. Saying the MOU is not final yet (despite stating that they already digitally signed it days ago and Friday is just a ceremony...) He seems furious that is leaked... It seems he is super embarrassed... I don't know who won the Iran war, but it is definitely not Trump. |
| June 17th, 2026 at 10:37:13 AM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 164 Posts: 5695 | Great to see him flummoxed. Looking forward to seekng him interred. |
| June 17th, 2026 at 10:50:39 AM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 30 Posts: 5449 | And, now Israel just publicly stated (even though we all knew this already,) that they will not withdraw from Lebanon or stop their operations there against Hezbollah. If this is required to be part of the deal that is pending signing, will this torpedo the whole thing? And, is that Israel's intention? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-17/israel-pushes-back-against-us-iran-pressure-to-quit-lebanon This is one of the worst deals in human history, and Trump may struggle just to get the initial memo fully signed this week... |
| June 17th, 2026 at 6:25:29 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 30 Posts: 5449 | https://apnews.com/live/g7-summit-updates-06-17-2026 Well, Trump suddenly signed the hard copy of the agreement just tonight in France and said it takes effect immediately... I guess they decided to ditch the big ceremony Friday? Odd.... But, the MOU is done now from all angles so nobody can say "it's still in progress". : ----------- 1 — The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war are signing this MOU to declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other, and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other, and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts, including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph. 2 — The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs. 3 — The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran commit to negotiating and achieving the final deal in maximum 60 days, extendable with mutual consent. 4 — Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre-war traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America further undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of the Islamic Republic of Iran within 30 days after the final deal. 5 — Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge, for 60 days only, from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles, and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialog with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf littoral states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz. 6 — The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America. 7 — The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council resolutions, IAEA Board of Governors resolutions, and all unilateral US sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America acknowledge the critical importance of the sanctions termination issue above mentioned, and expressed their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them. 8 — The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpiled enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with the minimum methodology to be down blended on site under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs, based on a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of this paragraph. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned. They express their intention to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them. 9 — Pending the final deal, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic of Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, and the United States of America will not impose any new sanctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region. 10 — The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions, US Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives, and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc. 11 — The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of this MOU. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during negotiations. Such funds, whether retained in the original account or transferred, shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly. 12 — The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree that an executive mechanism will be established to monitor the successful implementation of this MOU and the future compliance of the final deal. 13 — After signing this MOU, and subject to the beginning of the implementation of paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10 and 11 of this MOU, and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs. 14 — The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UNSC resolution. ------------------- Is this a good deal? Iran can charge tolls after 60 days? What happened to no toll ever? Iran gets tolls, 300bil and additional frozen money? This is a great deal FOR IRAN....... |
| June 17th, 2026 at 9:16:26 PM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 164 Posts: 5695 | Donald "Ayatollah" Trump. Atheist perhaps, but he loves those Persians... |
| June 18th, 2026 at 12:08:57 AM permalink | |
| OnceDear Member since: Nov 21, 2017 Threads: 15 Posts: 1816 |
It was a 'king dreadful deal, but the best the US could manage from the position it finds itself. They were the best (US) surrender terms that trump could get. Para 5 makes it clear that Iran damned well intends to charge tolls on Hormuz and the MOU doesn't deny that right. Iran has since Stated its intention to do so. What a low key, low energy 'signing ceremony'! at an unscheduled time and with no press flourish. It looked like grandpa signing his own enduring power of attorney! https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/2067393004239814711?s=20 Action in Lebanon was specifically mentioned as stopped by the US and it's allies. I don't see Israel signing. So what happens when Iran fires of, or gets it's proxy to fire off missiles into Israel as response to Israel's actions? trump has promised that the US would raise $300 BILLION investment in Iran. That's almost 500 big ballrooms. He hasn't identified who would pay into the fund, or when or how. He could have pencilled in any stupidly high number and it would mean the same: Nothing. That Iran managed to wrangle so much, puts a dollar amount on trump's weakness. And the US will remove it's forces in the region? Not even defined what region that is. Yup. Dreadful deal from a dreadful deal maker. The best he's managed is that he made it vague enough to spin to his supporters.. |
| June 18th, 2026 at 6:50:59 AM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 5936 |
It doesn’t say Iran can charge tolls at any time. It just says they can’t for 60 days. They obviously picked 60 days because that’s how long this ‘negotiation’ time is allowed to take. So it is possible they will be allowed to charge tolls, it’s possible they won’t. I got $$ that says the final deal will be no tolls. Do you have $$ saying there will be tolls? I keep reading that $300 billion. It seems to me that it is not just (someone?) giving them money, but rather ‘investing’ in the reconstruction, whatever that means. Does that include the new golf course complex on the outskirts of Tehran? Trump Persia International? I don’t mind unfreezing THEIR assets. Freezing their assets is almost like being at war with them, just not directly killing them. If that $300 billion is just ‘giving’ them that much money, then it’s an epic failure by Trump. The only ‘reparations’ I’d be in favor of is for the school destruction and deaths. Combined with some sort of formal apology, maybe also building them a memorial. Overall, gotta agree with Rx/terapined/MrV. Seems like more of a surrender than a win. |
| June 18th, 2026 at 7:49:27 AM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 30 Posts: 5449 |
Iran and Oman can work out tolls after 60 days. This implies pretty clearly there will either be a toll or a "fee" (whatever basically a toll.) I think there will be a toll Oman and Iran would be foolish to not have one. As for the assets, I bet that was not your opinion when Obama unfroze.... |
| June 18th, 2026 at 8:59:01 AM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 164 Posts: 5695 | He's writing a book about it: "Old Fart Blows the Deal." |